Author Topic: Big Brothers Next Way to trample on your liberty-- Speed limit controls in cars  (Read 4712 times)

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The bottom line is, any more steps in the direction of furthering government control and big brother type policies are a very bad and dangerous thing.

but mass government snooping stasi still is ok ?
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No its not

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Insurance concerns are not the issue - Federal regulations and people's desire for a manual backup are the issue. An Audi USA engineer I know told me that most "complaints" they receive about new cars are about newer vehicles is that "electronic emergency brake": people write in, concerned about what will happen in the case of an electical failure.

I don't believe there will be an end to licensing; I think that for the foreseeable future even self-driving cars will require a licensed driver behind the proverbial wheel for liability purposes. And why I don't think I'll be able to drive from Las Vegas to, say, Santa Cruz overnight and enjoy a good nap at the same time even after I get my fancy self-driving car in a few years. It will be illegal for a vehicle to operate in such a fashion.

Ultimately, however, I think that licensing drivers for vehicles will become a thing of the past, just how elevator operators have become a thing of the past. You'll just buy a car and the car will drive itself, no license required.

That seems pretty certain, yes.

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Something that can't be forgotten, is how future vehicles won't be independent from one another. A vehicle will be in continuous communication with surrounding vehicles, and all vehicles in a particular location will be processing and reacting to information from one another as a person simply could not do.

Seems to me, a vehicle can have a kill-switch to cover all bases, and other vehicles will simply react as necessary to avoid collisions, etc.

...and no matter what, unless 'nads are somehow grown, the day of fully tracked and recorded travel will be upon us.

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Something that can't be forgotten, is how future vehicles won't be independent from one another. A vehicle will be in continuous communication with surrounding vehicles, and all vehicles in a particular location will be processing and reacting to information from one another as a person simply could not do.

Seems to me, a vehicle can have a kill-switch to cover all bases, and other vehicles will simply react as necessary to avoid collisions, etc.

...and no matter what, unless 'nads are somehow grown, the day of fully tracked and recorded travel will be upon us.


The day of fully tracked and recorded travel is already upon us. It's just that the tracking records aren't fully consolidated at this point.

Tracking someone doing a cross-country trip can be done by:

(a) looking at the target's mobile phone HLR and checking to find which VLRs his mobile connected to.
(b) looking at credit card usage, tracking fuel purchases - from gas stations and McDonalds.
(c) examining records from cameras on patrol cars, stationary traffic monitoring stations, gas stations, rest areas, toll stations and traffic lights.
(d) "pinging" the automobile to directly report its position via OnStar or other vehicle telematics services.
(e) "pinging" the suspect's phone to directly report its position via "MobileMe" or whatever Apple calls their system these days.

Contrary to popular belief, real-time continuous satellite tracking isn't really feasible for a number of reasons. But it doesn't matter. Some of these other approaches are way cheaper and much more effective.

And besides, why even bother tracking someone that closely? Extrapolating possible routes via "breadcrumbs" of past behavior can be trivial.

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worring about who will know the speed of the car while being oblivious to smartphones loggin all your location co- ordinates
and who has been busy in recent years getting data from computer companies ?
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The day of fully tracked and recorded travel is already upon us. It's just that the tracking records aren't fully consolidated at this point.

Tracking someone doing a cross-country trip can be done by:

(a) looking at the target's mobile phone HLR and checking to find which VLRs his mobile connected to.
(b) looking at credit card usage, tracking fuel purchases - from gas stations and McDonalds.
(c) examining records from cameras on patrol cars, stationary traffic monitoring stations, gas stations, rest areas, toll stations and traffic lights.
(d) "pinging" the automobile to directly report its position via OnStar or other vehicle telematics services.
(e) "pinging" the suspect's phone to directly report its position via "MobileMe" or whatever Apple calls their system these days.

Contrary to popular belief, real-time continuous satellite tracking isn't really feasible for a number of reasons. But it doesn't matter. Some of these other approaches are way cheaper and much more effective.

And besides, why even bother tracking someone that closely? Extrapolating possible routes via "breadcrumbs" of past behavior can be trivial.

Sounds like a "remedy" for that "problem" may be on the way.

Any information that is fed to this beast, is a problem.

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Sounds like a "remedy" for that "problem" may be on the way.

Any information that is fed to this beast, is a problem.

then perhaps its time to ditch the smartphone?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=493142.msg7019614#msg7019614
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then perhaps its time to ditch the smartphone?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=493142.msg7019614#msg7019614

Great post, BBC. When I saw the headline on the post, earlier, I'd assumed that was a "what's the coolest new smartphone" type of thread.

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worring about who will know the speed of the car while being oblivious to smartphones loggin all your location co- ordinates
and who has been busy in recent years getting data from computer companies ?

If this is an answer to my post, then please note that I ranked mobile phone tracking as number 1, especially since it can be done remotely without any changes to any existing infrastructure – all it takes is a query against the HLR of your primary network to find out which VLR and tower to query.

Cellular networks don't even need GPS to collect this information; they already collect highly accurate distance information, which can then be used to trilaterate a mobile station pretty accurately. And before anyone says that this is some big-brother designed system, it's not. This accurate tracking is necessary to control the 'TA' field, which controls the timing advance dictating when a phone can transmit, so as to account for the speed of light. Yes, you read that right...