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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2014, 05:57:11 AM »
Heavily involved in methamphetamine. Lost his mind from it. Used it originally to be a productive genius. To use his own words. He tried to start a magazine but it failed. Back in the day he was making 200k a year which was a huge sum of money back then but went from that to nothing. He would waste his money on stuff like movie making equipment that he knew nothing about. Invested everything in his magazine that he lost. He even wrote back in the day when he was competing that he worried steroid and speed were having an effect on his mental health.

 Him and Arnold patched things up toward the end of his life. He finally by most accounts got off drugs and began training people. Since he was now a trainer he came up with this crazy training systems that he never used. It was training them for 15 to 20 minutes and not training again for 5 plus days. Very convenient for a personal trainer. That's why I suspect almost all trainers are HIT guys. At least to their clients.

When he won the Mr. America he would train his whole body in one shot. It was a mixture of free weights and nautilus. From there he went to dividing his body in half. This is the split he used. Day one: Thighs, chest and triceps. Day two: back, delt and biceps. He would train 4 days a week with that split. Mr. Florida Frank Calta trained in a similar way except he used what he called rotation for recuperation. Mentzer read of this and further changed his routine. He didn't follow a calender but monitored how he felt. His rotation when like this. Monday and Friday were thighs, chest and triceps. On Wednesday he would train back, shoulders and bicep. So one side of the split would get hit twice and the other once a week. Next week he would reverse it so Monday would be Back, delts, and biceps with legs, chest and tricep being hit once on Wednesdays. Friday it would be back, delts and bicep. Every week he would rotate it like Frank Calta. It was his most productive routine. 6 sets and under per body part. Some like biceps sometimes received only three.

There is a controversy about the amount of sets he used. David Young who posts here said he trained in the same gym as both Mentzer and Viator. He said and why would I not believe him that both used a lot more sets than what they wrote about.

That blond in the picture is Cathy Gelfo. She was Mike's girlfriend. She dumped him and it really hurt Mike. Maybe she couldn't take his mood swings from speed and steroids? I don't know. She married bodybuilder Clint Beyerle who I think came from money and became a chiropractor.

Mike Mentzer is one of the biggest influences on bodybuilding.  The foot print he left was huge. I think I have just about every article he ever wrote. It was tragic that his brother died so closely to him. I often wonder if it was a suicide?

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2014, 06:05:38 AM »
Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2014, 06:09:34 AM »
Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.
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If I remember he only died a day or two later. Really sad.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2014, 06:12:51 AM »
Ray was on Dialysis after Mike died I heard he quit going.
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If I remember he only died a day or two later. Really sad.
True I know nothing about dialysis maybe you die quickly if you miss one.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2014, 07:48:20 AM »
The word nerdy comes to mind when I see the brothers speak on camera.
Not very cool.

Mentzer made me think back in the day but later I realized his theories weren't very scientific.
Programming by reading Ayn Rand doesn't work.
I still believe in relatively low volume though. And I believe in the strength/size connection.


yes a muscle nerd.   :D

I agree that logic or true science was not always applied, what was speaking was often inspired from methaphysics and philosophy. And yes the theories where largely adopted from people he admired himself like Ayn Rand Author Jones.

Smart guy in some ways but very stubborn in his theories. He was eloquent and intelligent and brought up some interesting points. Leave it at that :)

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2014, 07:52:21 AM »
I often hear how intelligent he was but he always told people how intelligent he was too. He was a pre med major but he dropped out.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2014, 08:29:49 AM »
His and Jones ideas/theories freed a lot of guys from the notion that you had to be in the gym twice a day for 2 hours at a time.  Bodybuilding isn't your life, it can be a part of your life.  Only the delusional think otherwise.  They're the ones that wake up one day living in a van outside a gOld's Gym (down by the river!) calling themselves a "guru".

As I get older I try to adapt his concepts to my training to fit the aches and pains of age and exercise past.  I have a life.  A good one and exercise is a part of it.  Thanks to Mentzer, it's not all of it.

In many ways, he and Jones were right.  At least where my training is concerned. 

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2014, 08:32:19 AM »
I saw Mike frequently in the years, months, weeks prior to his demise. We were friends.  

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2014, 08:34:08 AM »
Both of these vids were made circa '82-'83




the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.
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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2014, 08:54:20 AM »
the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.

That's most likely the truth, seeing as how Jones had him on a very low cal diet at that time as well. It's possible to gain a bit of muscle while losing fat on a low cal diet, but only if your bodyfat is relatively high ie. 10-12% at the start of the diet and training program.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2014, 08:56:18 AM »
I often hear how intelligent he was but he always told people how intelligent he was too. He was a pre med major but he dropped out.

Didn't Palumbo claim the same thing?

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2014, 09:19:48 AM »
Jerry Brainum apparently read the coroners report and speculates that they both died of morphine overdose


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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2014, 09:48:09 AM »
the way i heard it was boyer lost size and strength on nautulus equipment, yet jones put a pic of coe in the mags saying coe was never bigger and stronger when he visited jones' facility in florida.
He lost size because he stopped taking Steroids.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2014, 10:09:06 AM »
I saw Mike frequently in the years, months, weeks prior to his demise. We were friends.  



Looks awesome in that pic

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2014, 11:13:17 AM »
He lost size because he stopped taking Steroids.

I bet you're right on target. It looks like he was off cycle.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2014, 12:29:49 PM »
I bet you're right on target. It looks like he was off cycle.

Its true. Jones always said all the guys who came out to Nautilus (in deland florida?) were off steroids.The only one who was actually clean was Boyer. He was pretty small there.

According to Jones Casey was supposedly clean during the colorado experiment. LOL.

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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2014, 04:38:18 PM »
Mike died hours after the filming finished and Ray 2 days later. You are watching dead men walking there.
Man thats sad, death by Weider Carear Choke

One looks to have already had a stroke and talking utter nonesenseness and the other smoking a ciger like some sort of deluded victor of something

We all gotta get old I guess


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Re: question about Mentzer
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2014, 04:54:18 PM »
Mike died hours after the filming finished and Ray 2 days later. You are watching dead men walking there.

Interesting - didn't know that.
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