OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF SOUL CRUSHER CONTINUES...no Obama link to IRS scandal

[Erik C]

Obama's birth certificate was Photoshopped. The establishment media refused to cover the story. It was blacked out. You can YouTube "Obama"s birth certificate was Photoshopped" to see links. Probably some won't like the sources, but they show that the document was  easily broken down into digital pieces. Not possible for a document created in 1963, because there was no Photoshop and Adobe software in 1963, nor any personal computers to run it on.

Obviously, the Obama administration had counterfitters create the document, who were young enough to be computer wizzes, but also too young to realize that what they created would be historically impossible, and the politicos around Obama didn't realize it either, when they mistakenly released their fraudulent document.

So the story was killed by the establishment media. That's the Facts.

[OzmO]

Obama's birth certificate was Photoshopped. The establishment media refused to cover the story. It was blacked out. You can YouTube "Obama"s birth certificate was Photoshopped" to see links. Probably some won't like the sources, but they show that the document was  easily broken down into digital pieces. Not possible for a document created in 1963, because there was no Photoshop and Adobe software in 1963, nor any personal computers to run it on.

Obviously, the Obama administration had counterfitters create the document, who were young enough to be computer wizzes, but also too young to realize that what they created would be historically impossible, and the politicos around Obama didn't realize it either, when they mistakenly released their fraudulent document.

So the story was killed by the establishment media. That's the Facts.

because its on youtube its factual?

meanwhile more baseless speculation in your post.

BTW, the media doesn't need to pick it up.  It simply has to be enough credible evidence to be brought to a court.

[Erik C]

because its on youtube its factual?

meanwhile more baseless speculation in your post.

I didn't say because it was on YouTube, that it was factual. I said the facts are available on YouTube. If all the sites listed were lying about the Photoshopped birth certificate, then it would have been easy for the Obama Administration and the establishment media to prove the critics of the birth certificate were lying. Instead the story was killed, blackout, covered up. That's because it was the Obama Administration and the establishment media were the ones that were lying and blacking out the story was the only damage control that they could muster at the time. It worked for most of the population that have short memories.

[OzmO]

I didn't say because it was on YouTube, that it was factual. I said the facts are available on YouTube. If all the sites listed were lying about the Photoshopped birth certificate, then it would have been easy for the Obama Administration and the establishment media to prove the critics of the birth certificate were lying. Instead the story was killed, blackout, covered up. That's because it was the Obama Administration and the establishment media were the ones that were lying and blacking out the story was the only damage control that they could muster at the time. It worked for most of the population that have short memories.

I added to my post above

Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.

If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.

Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court.  The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to.  Still they struck out.

In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and  the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.

  

[2Thick]

I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?

You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.

[Soul Crusher]

I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?

You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.

One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations

[Erik C]

I added to my post above

Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.

If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.

Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court.  The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to.  Still they struck out.

In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and  the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.

  

Bring a politician to court for lying? Imagine the backlog of cases that would create. There are plenty of suits the establishment media ignores and court cases that get no coverage. Yeah Trump had the money, but he dropped out of the birther politics at just that time. So I'd say he got whatever it was he wanted from the establishment, to conveniently go away, just when the administration and the establishment media want to kill a story.

What you can see on YouTube is that the birth certificate presented as Obama's is digitally constructed, which would have been impossible to do in 1963, and the only reason to do it now was to fake it. So fake it is.

[2Thick]

One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations

Was it his baby-momma rounddaway homegirl Shanequa baby daddy?

[andreisdaman]

At least I could then at least hang my Kenya flag from the window, say we had our first admittedted gay potus, etc.

As it is now - he is just a typical failed commie ghetto pos

I think what you need to ask yourself is why is it important to you that he admit to being gay....again if he did what would happen then?..he'd STILL be president....

[andreisdaman]

One of andres' peeps at the social services office told him that while waiting in line for this months' rations

As much as I hate to admit it. you do make me laugh out loud at your absurdity...at least you're good for something

[Necrosis]

I must have missed this "No Obama link to the IRS scandal". Was this aired on MSNBC or one of the MSM networks? Or written in a NY Times or other rag's editorial section?

You've got to be in complete black liberal denial to think there was no targeting of conservatives and no link to the WH. Or else you're the kind of person who thinks pro wrestling is real.

but repubs cleared him? so they are liberals?

[Soul Crusher]

but repubs cleared him? so they are liberals?

They are from Kenya too 

[andreisdaman]

I added to my post above

Facts are not available on YOUTUBE.

If there where credible evidence of his Kenyan birth or tampering etc. it would only have to be brought to a court.

Yet, with that moron sherriff and Trump, there was NO FACTUAL OR CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ever brought to any court.  The birther movement had TRUMP money behind it to.  Still they struck out.

In fact, if these so called "facts" had any credibility there would be lines of people filling suits and  the media wouldn't have had any choice but to cover it.

  

EXACTLY>>> This is what i was talking about earlier in terms of the mental illness that is sweeping our nation whereby no one wants to believe facts any more....back in the old days people had a difference of opinion but at the end of the day you could present facts and people's thinking would evolve and they would embrace the truth...nowadays everyone has their own set of facts from dubious sources like YOUTUBE, Blogs, and FOX NEWS...I am a liberal but I would NEVER present MSNBC as a source because I would lose instant credibility.....the other day Soul Crusher presented an opinion and gave WIKIPEDIA as a source......ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

[OzmO]

Bring a politician to court for lying? Imagine the backlog of cases that would create. There are plenty of suits the establishment media ignores and court cases that get no coverage. Yeah Trump had the money, but he dropped out of the birther politics at just that time. So I'd say he got whatever it was he wanted from the establishment, to conveniently go away, just when the administration and the establishment media want to kill a story.

What you can see on YouTube is that the birth certificate presented as Obama's is digitally constructed, which would have been impossible to do in 1963, and the only reason to do it now was to fake it. So fake it is.

If credible evidence exists then it doesn't matter what a politician says.  

Fact is, credible evidence doesn't exist.

You seem to have a naive knowledge of how a court works.

[Erik C]

If credible evidence exists then it doesn't matter what a politician says.  

Fact is, credible evidence doesn't exist.

You seem to have a naive knowledge of how a court works.

Ok, so if the birth certificate is real, then why didn't Obama sue these right wingers, Birthers and Tea Party members, for libel? His critics who exposed the fraud, also wanted to get their hands on the original to show that the paper wasn't in existence in 1963 either. A court case against would have given them a chance to examine the evidence first hand. Obama could even have had them hauled into court on charges of sedition, thereby getting rid of a bunch of detractors, but he didn't. Why? Simple. He knows the birth certificate is fake. So the story was killed.

[OzmO]

Ok, so if the birth certificate is real, then why didn't Obama sue these right wingers, Birthers and Tea Party members, for libel? His critics who exposed the fraud, also wanted to get their hands on the original to show that the paper wasn't in existence in 1963 either. A court case against would have given them a chance to examine the evidence first hand. Obama could even have had them hauled into court on charges of sedition, thereby getting rid of a bunch of detractors, but he didn't. Why? Simple. He knows the birth certificate is fake. So the story was killed.

You would have ask OB.  I would speculate that its not worth his time and doesn't help him politically.  You have to remember, sane intelligent people didn't believe he was born outside the USA.

The way it would work is if there was actual credible evidence of fraud, anyone could file a suit over it. 

So let's summarize before you jump to some other angle.

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence

Here's what you are doing:  You have made up your mind (based on rhetoric, baseless speculation, etc) that he was born in Kenya and you will only pay real attention to anything that supports that speculation.

That's not critical thinking. 
 

[Erik C]

You would have ask OB.  I would speculate that its not worth his time and doesn't help him politically.  You have to remember, sane intelligent people didn't believe he was born outside the USA.

The way it would work is if there was actual credible evidence of fraud, anyone could file a suit over it.  

So let's summarize before you jump to some other angle.

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence

Here's what you are doing:  You have made up your mind (based on rhetoric, baseless speculation, etc) that he was born in Kenya and you will only pay real attention to anything that supports that speculation.

That's not critical thinking.  
 

OR, his critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.

You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.

[andreisdaman]

OR, his critic didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.

You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.

what the hell are you talking about???...are you insane?...I thought we taught you something....we are just going in circles...but again..you've been thoroughly brainwashed..I kinda don't blame you

[Erik C]

what the hell are you talking about???...are you insane?...I thought we taught you something....we are just going in circles...but again..you've been thoroughly brainwashed..I kinda don't blame you

Then you explain to me how a document, allegedly issued in 1963, was digitally constructed. I'll wait for your answer. But, I won't wait long.

[OzmO]

OR, his critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money to see the case dragged through the courts for years on end.

You keep wanting to ignore the FACT that the birth certificate that the Obama Administration released, as real, was in fact a fake. It doesn't matter who first discovered that it was a fake, but the fact that it was digitally constructed proves without any doubt that it was a fake, because it could not have been done in 1963. It's not who said it was a fake, that convinces me that it is a fake, it is the evidence that it is a fake, that convinced me it is fake.

Its not a fact.  If it was a fact, we would have had a new president by now.

I am not ignoring anything.  I am only living in the real world here.  In the real world, factual evidence brought to a court can and will result in a charge.   In this case Fraud.

No credible evidence has been provided.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?


Current summary of your arguments:

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3.  OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money.  =  Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE


Note:  arguing with a birther is no different than arguing with a truther.

[Erik C]

Its not a fact.  If it was a fact, we would have had a new president by now.

I am not ignoring anything.  I am only living in the real world here.  In the real world, factual evidence brought to a court can and will result in a charge.   In this case Fraud.

No credible evidence has been provided.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?


Current summary of your arguments:

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3.  OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money.  =  Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE


Note:  arguing with a birther is no different than arguing with a truther.

You're dense. The document is a fake. But you believe it anyway. That's your problem.

As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!

[OzmO]

You're dense. The document is a fake. But you believe it anyway. That's your problem.

As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!

The evidence needs only to be credible enough to justify a trail which it never has.  HENCE:  NOT FACTUAL, NOT CREDIBLE, NOTHING!

I am not willing at the moment to go back a soundly debunk the claims about the document as i did couple of years ago.  However, its well documented on the CT board.

Feel free to read and specifically challenge anything i wrote.

My assertion is very valid in  that IF there was credible evidence of fraud concerning OB's birth he would have been removed from or resigned from office (exp: Nixon), charges would have been filed and the media would have been all over it.

Current summary of your arguments,  and you are calling me dense?   :

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3.  OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money.  =  Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
4.  Repeated statement of "The document is a fake" without providing any argument to that other than references to an unspcified youtube vid. = meaningless (i shouldn't have to explain why)
5.  "As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!" = Meaningless and shows you have a grade school knowledge of how the court system in America works.

dude you are 0-5

[Erik C]

You have proof that the document was real? You posted it before, but you forgot what that evidence is now? How to you digitally construct a document in 1963? You can't answer that, but believe it happened?

You've been a great help. NOT!

[OzmO]

You have proof that the document was real? You posted it before, but you forgot what that evidence is now? How to you digitally construct a document in 1963? You can't answer that, but believe it happened?

You've been a great help. NOT!

Yeah.  It was 2 years ago or maybe even more.  Lots of posts, lots of back and forth.  Don't really care to dive into that mess and spend hours rehashing everything.  I was engaged in it when Sheriff Joe and Trump were in the news showing what they found, which amounted to squat.  There were many angles to the "he was born in Kenya charge" including I am sure, even though i don't readily remember accusations of photo shopping.  (which is easy to prove if it was shopped)  If any of it was factual or credible it would have been used by now and OB would be out of office.

I would have been happy about it.  I kind of wished it was true. 

But common sense prevails...as with most people with rational thought. Any rational person can take a quick look and see it.  that's why there are maybe 2-3 of all the OB haters on this board that are birthers.  And i suspect they don't really believe it, but it fits in well with their hatred for OB.   

Maybe one day, it will be proven he was born elsewhere, who knows.  But based on the current evidence, NO WAY.  Not even close.

Current summary of your arguments :

1.  Your assertion about Politicians lying as a reason they don't go to court = meaningless
2.  Questioning why OB doesn't sue for slander = meaningless because it doesn't change the fact there isn't any credible evidence
3.  OB critics didn't sue because they didn't have the money.  =  Meaningless, because Trump did have the money and suits were filed by other parties and consequentially thrown out because of lack of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE
4.  Repeated statement of "The document is a fake" without providing any argument to that other than references to an unspcified youtube vid. = meaningless (i shouldn't have to explain why)
5.  "As a private citizen, just try getting a judge to issue a warrant for the arrest of the President of the United States, for fraud, or any thing else. Never happen!" = Meaningless and shows you have a grade school knowledge of how the court system in America works.
6.  Asking me if i have proof the document is real. = meaningless because the burden of proof is on the accuser.  but i did tell you about my lengthy posts on the subject on another board.