NYC Grocery stores

[BB]

This is just a feel good measure. It's 5 stories by 2029, one per borough. The thrill of 30% off groceries will wear off when people realize these city markets are deep in the hood. Also, I'm hearing limited hours, and just staple items. Cries of "Why you don't got no Cheetos?" will be heard. They really seem like they're going to be a weird cross breed of grocery and food pantry.

[chaos]

I just can't resist. Conservatives, are you surprised? Coach, are you surprised?

Should make you liberals happy, right?

[mphgrove]

What happens in communism and socialism?

In dictator style communism YES (Cuba, Venezuela, Russia) NO DOUBT. In European style “socialism”, totally different story. Germany is best example: extremely high taxation coupled with much more equal income distribution than USA.  The problem is where you tip or drift from one to the other. I see that argument.

But there it is a real fallacy to simply say the Bernie Sanders style “Democratic Socialism” is exactly the same thing as “Communism”, like Coach and others are doing here. The various flavors can take very different forms.

[mphgrove]

I just can't resist. Conservatives, are you surprised? Coach, are you surprised?

Americans generally can’t stand Netanyahu. But it’s a whole different story as to whether that draws Americans to support what radical Palestinians favor, whether those Americans be Jews or Gentiles. Most Americans are “those people have been fighting for centuries, why even get involved.” But many, many of us still appreciate our JUDEO-Christian heritage deeply and still feel close to WWII and the Holocaust experience, which is woven into our overall world view.

[Van_Bilderass]

Should make you liberals happy, right?

It doesn't make me happy. I'm just pointing out who the real Muslim lover liberal universalist anti-racist is. It's not me.

But many, many of us still appreciate our JUDEO-Christian heritage deeply and still feel close to WWII and the Holocaust experience, which is woven into our overall world view.

Judeo-Christian is a contradiction in terms and not real. It's a fairly new term and was made up by Jews for obvious reasons. Jews for sure have woven this term in many Americans' world view.

This article talks about Ben Shapiro's use of the term Judeo-Christian. We know through his many statements that he actually hates Christianity but it's politically opportune for him to use the phrase, as many other Jews do, Jews who also hate Christianity and Christians.

https://www.unz.com/article/ben-shapiro-and-the-myth-of-the-judeo-christian-west/

"The US founders, largely Deists rather than orthodox Christians, did not use the term Judeo-Christian, and in the US, where Shapiro’s primary audience is based, the term Judeo-Christian has gone through a number of transformations, coming to the fore in the 1930s as a way of identifying values or beliefs shared by Jewish and Christian traditions with a common Western religious outlook[11]. Deborah Dash Moore claims that the term “first came into the public lexicon as a symbolic vehicle of liberal Jewish and Christian leaders…looking to signal their contempt for (and provide an alternative to) pro-Fascist sympathizers and anti-Semites in the United States who had mobilized around the term Christian. Specifically, the term Judeo-Christian was intended to include Jews as one of the three “fighting faiths” of democracy. During the war years, as Moore puts it, “this new creed expressed a distinctive and essentially pluralist American religious faith that underpinned American democracy.”[12]The term may also have been intended to distance the term ‘Jewish’ from its association with Bolshevism at the time."

Another article:

https://www.unz.com/article/the-judeo-christian-illusion/

One of the most familiar expressions in modern political and religious discourse is the phrase “Judeo-Christian values.” It is invoked by politicians, church leaders, commentators, and historians as though it described a continuous religious tradition stretching from ancient Galilee through Jesus to the modern Christian Church. Yet surprisingly few people stop to ask a simple historical question: when did Christians begin describing their faith as “Judeo-Christian”?

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Within modern Judeo-Christian discourse, it is commonly asserted that “Jesus was Jewish”, “Jews are God’s chosen people”, and that Christianity emerged directly and continuously from Judaism. In my view, these assumptions have profoundly influenced how many Christians understand both Jesus and the origins of their religion, while also reinforcing the modern concept of a shared Judeo-Christian heritage.

Various writers, including James Combs, Jacob Conner, and Willie Martin, have challenged the assumption that Jesus was Jewish and that the modern expression “Judeo-Christianity” accurately describes the earliest Jesus movement.

[chaos]

Germany is best example: extremely high taxation coupled with much more equal income distribution than USA. 

There's the problem, why should I work my ass off to build my life and income just to let the government take it away and give it to people that don't work as hard? Eventually the hard workers/business owners will stop trying as hard and everyone will be living off the government handouts. Doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.

[Irongrip400]

There's the problem, why should I work my ass off to build my life and income just to let the government take it away and give it to people that don't work as hard? Eventually the hard workers/business owners will stop trying as hard and everyone will be living off the government handouts. Doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.

Thanks for clipping this part of the post, I too read this and was thinking “wtf?” The facts are Germans and ethnic Europeans are hard working and they all buy in. They’re only just now getting a taste of what a real welfare state is like with the migrant loafers. This is nothing like the Chinese, Irish, Mexicans or Germans that came to USA and hit the ground running by working.

[Coach is Back!]

I just can't resist. Conservatives, are you surprised? Coach, are you surprised?

On here for another ass beating?

[mphgrove]

Back to Judeo-Christian. I don’t really care when the term came into vogue or how modern perspectives (with an agenda by the way) slice it. Here’s the simple fact if you attend a Christian church:
Old Testament: Judeo
New Testament: Christian

One example: if you look at literature over the last two millennia (and you can include Islam as well if you are so inclined) they are all intimately connected. And in Black worship for example, Moses and Jesus go side by side (totally).

[Coach is Back!]

Being Catholic we don’t we don’t the recognize “Judeo-Christian” as a theological doctrine. I would consider it more as a non-denominational term.

[mphgrove]

Being Catholic we don’t we don’t the recognize “Judeo-Christian” as a theological doctrine. I would consider it more as a non-denominational term.

I agree. It’s probably a more traditional academic term, which modern progressive academics want nothing to do with. From a theological standpoint, no Christian would ever say that the Judeo part can stand on its own without Jesus and the Trinity. All I am saying is that the Judeo component surrounds us as Christians and has dramatically influenced our entire history.

[Van_Bilderass]

On here for another ass beating?

What other ass beatings have I taken previously? Certainly not by you. Give me an ass beating then, let's see it. You are taking an ass beating here every day. In case you haven't noticed most posters are laughing at you daily, everyone pointing out your low intelligence tabloid Fox news boomerism. I always say I'm not very smart as in IQ but you certainly aren't seen as any kind of "smart" on here.

[Van_Bilderass]

Back to Judeo-Christian. I don’t really care when the term came into vogue or how modern perspectives (with an agenda by the way) slice it. Here’s the simple fact if you attend a Christian church:
Old Testament: Judeo
New Testament: Christian

One example: if you look at literature over the last two millennia (and you can include Islam as well if you are so inclined) they are all intimately connected. And in Black worship for example, Moses and Jesus go side by side (totally).

I admit I haven't really studied this, but I had vague memories about discussions about when "Jews" first appeared, so I asked AI.

"Moses was a Hebrew (and an Israelite), not a Jew, because the term "Jew" did not exist during his lifetime. He belonged to the tribe of Levi, living centuries before the Kingdom of Judah—the origin of the word "Jew"—was established"

Then there are the discussions on whether Jesus was a Jew. I know, I know, the common refrain is of course Jesus was a Jew. Just saying some disagree and say modern "Jews" came later. Yet later you had the Ashkenazi who some consider Europeans and not indigenous to the middle east at all. Some say the Palestinians have much more ancient Israelite blood than the European Jews. More Jew than "Jews."

As we all know for example Coach's Catholicism was really opposed to Jews before Vatican II, when some say Catholicism because Judaized because, the 'conspiracy theorists' says, it was infiltrated by spiritual Jews.

In any case, the Judeo-Christian term I see as a political term used by Jews for their ethnic interests, not because there is a common spiritual tradition.

Indigenous to the middle east?

[Humble Narcissist]

^^^ Bucky Beaver.

[mphgrove]

I admit I haven't really studied this, but I had vague memories about discussions about when "Jews" first appeared, so I asked AI.

"Moses was a Hebrew (and an Israelite), not a Jew, because the term "Jew" did not exist during his lifetime. He belonged to the tribe of Levi, living centuries before the Kingdom of Judah—the origin of the word "Jew"—was established"

Then there are the discussions on whether Jesus was a Jew. I know, I know, the common refrain is of course Jesus was a Jew. Just saying some disagree and say modern "Jews" came later. Yet later you had the Ashkenazi who some consider Europeans and not indigenous to the middle east at all. Some say the Palestinians have much more ancient Israelite blood than the European Jews. More Jew than "Jews."

As we all know for example Coach's Catholicism was really opposed to Jews before Vatican II, when some say Catholicism because Judaized because, the 'conspiracy theorists' says, it was infiltrated by spiritual Jews.

In any case, the Judeo-Christian term I see as a political term used by Jews for their ethnic interests, not because there is a common spiritual tradition.

Indigenous to the middle east?

Agree Palestinians and Jews are just as old as each other (both Semitic in DNA and language by the way). Not that it’s historical, but the Bible has them exactly that way as well (Ishmael the “father” of the Arabs). I would say we are all entitled to use the terminology any way we please (smile). By the way, modern progressive academics despise the term “Judeo-Christian”: way too Western imperialist for them, leaves too many people out. But it is a term that remains meaningful to me.

From a DNA standpoint, Achkenazi and Sephardic Jews and Arabs all have Semitic DNA, and when I was in Jordan once during a business trip, the Arabs told me that they could kind of understand the Hebrew television station beaming across the River from Israel.