Homophobic bakery pays $135,000 to butch lesbian couple

[Lustral]

Burning people at the stake compared to baking a cake is a big stretch. People don't often die from cake, unless they are Marie Antoinette...."let them eat cake!"

I am for business owner rights. The problem with discrimination is where does it stop?

I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....

I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.

[Primemuscle]

I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....

I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.

I've done the same as you many times when shopping. I expect good service, when I don't get it, I go elsewhere to shop. If I were marrying another guy and was refused a cake because of this, I would consider that bad service and move on. Most often the bride and groom pick the cake together. If a groom and groom or the bride and bride did this, it would be obvious to the baker that it was a same sex marriage from the start.

A new law went into effect today in Oregon relating to same-sex marriage: The words "husband and wife" will no longer appear in state marriage statutes. They'll be replaced with "spouses in a legal marriage."

The part that is not mentioned is timing. When ordering a wedding cake it must be done with some advance notice. This was not the first time the women had been at the bakery. I don't remember if they'd already ordered the cake and were refused it at the time of pickup or there otherwise was not enough time to go elsewhere.

I have little doubt that these women intended to cause a ruckus by hollering illegal discrimination. The fact that they accepted money from the baker makes me wonder if they weren't opportunist. I'm presuming the women kept the money. If they'd donated it, it would have been better and their complaint seemed more legitimate.

[drkaje]

I would sell a cake to them in a heartbeat. Money money money. If it said death to infidels... I would not. Now turn your moral compass to what these folk believe (rightly or wrongly) and you have same dilemma. To them it is wrong... they are a private, not a public business (like the woman who refused to grant marriage licences)....

I just think it is bullying of Christians by gay people here. Yes, I did say that. There must have been so many bakeries who would have done the cake gladly yet they sued the one that did not. Why? To make a point? Bullshit. To show them they can get what they want. I have entered a store and been treated as a lesser person than someone in a suit when i had €1,000 in my pocket to spend on a suit. I left store went to a different shop and was treated well and bought my suit there. I won, that shop won, idiot first shop lost. Great.

She needed the extra marriage licenses for herself, LOL!

[Man of Steel]

One other court still has judgement to hand down to the folks in this case.

[drkaje]

One other court still has judgement to hand down to the folks in this case.

If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?

[Man of Steel]

If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?

To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture,  help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God.  To  share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.

[drkaje]

To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture,  help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God.  To  share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.

Not your job.

IIRC, the Bible says something about people being able to see God in us by how we live. I'm getting old, with bad memory, so it's hard to remember if Jesus admonished folks about driving people away from God with religion.

It's the old age.

[SF1900]

If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?

That court (heaven/god) does not exist. It only exists in MOS's pea-size brain.

[Primemuscle]

If that's the case: Why do people who identify as Christians spend so much time judging others on earth?

I've wondered this myself.

I think they were referring to a pending court ruling. The courts are non-denominational.

A few people I know, who are generally good people and are Christians, are way too quick to pass judgment on others. Maybe it comes from their particular religion's doctrine or just a personal belief that they are somehow better than others.

Almost everyone judges another at some point in their lives. It's when they either vocalize or publish that judgment that it is most hurtful.

[Primemuscle]

To provide folks with a righteous judgement as outlined in scripture,  help them understand the Lord's standards and give them time to repent and surrender humbly before God.  To  share with them the good news that final judgement of God need not be.

I believe it is best if they mind their own business unless asked for an opinion.

[Primemuscle]

Not your job.

IIRC, the Bible says something about people being able to see God in us by how we live. I'm getting old, with bad memory, so it's hard to remember if Jesus admonished folks about driving people away from God with religion.

It's the old age.

The Bible is folklore.

[drkaje]

The Bible is folklore.

Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Someone who really believes doesn't have to make the entire world conform in order to feel their faith isn't threatened.

[Primemuscle]

Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Someone who really believes doesn't have to make the entire world conform in order to feel their faith isn't threatened.

I agree. Unfortunately, human nature encourages us to want to share things which we believe are good. This is one of the basis of cult followings. Other factors are gullibility and some folks' need to belong or fit in.

[HTexan]

The Bible is folklore.

How you know?

[Lustral]

How you know?

Because it was first written 400 years after the event, most of itis total horseshit (can you imagine someone in 2400 saying David Blaine levitated and made an elephant disappear (different magician same point)?

Noone made wine into blood or bread into flesh or broke the laws of physics and made 40 of something from one. Take the good parts like love thy neighbour (ok i told them never to park outside my house again but...) and don't kill and it is ok. Just don't pull a Wiggs and start quoting it like a proven theorem.

[HTexan]

Because it was first written 400 years after the event, most of itis total horseshit (can you imagine someone in 2400 saying David Blaine levitated and made an elephant disappear (different magician same point)?

Noone made wine into blood or bread into flesh or broke the laws of physics and made 40 of something from one. Take the good parts like love thy neighbour (ok i told them never to park outside my house again but...) and don't kill and it is ok. Just don't pull a Wiggs and start quoting it like a proven theorem.

You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?

And you still didn't answer the question. 

[chaos]

More PC bullshit

[TuHolmes]

You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?

And you still didn't answer the question. 

I don't think anyone would say that the Old Testament doesn't have some things that were surely passed down from person to person through the ages.

The Bible has some very old stories that are possibly true in general, if not completely accurate.

The New Testament, whether or not you believe in Jesus and miracles or what not certainly has good things to read in regards to life lessons.

[Lustral]

You aware that The Dead Sea Scrolls contained scripture from the Old Testament . Those date 1,000 years older than any writings we have? And the fact the there was more then 1 writer?

And you still didn't answer the question. 

If the question is how do I know, it is because it is physically impossible as stated above, the same as shoving 2 of every animal on a boat is. I tried not to be offensive about it, bit I could be if you are thay dumb of a shit to to think ot happened. Should i be stoned for me apostacy? Or fornicating outside marriage? You stupid fuck.

[HTexan]

If the question is how do I know, it is because it is physically impossible as stated above, the same as shoving 2 of every animal on a boat is. I tried not to be offensive about it, bit I could be if you are thay dumb of a shit to to think ot happened. Should i be stoned for me apostacy? Or fornicating outside marriage? You stupid fuck.

Are you an omnipresent being? If not, your just spewing allegations about a distant era that coincides with a point of view predetermined by your family, society or molestation by your father. This same goes for all historical events.
 You have no right to say anybody's religious doctrine is wrong or right. Regardless on how sore your daddy left your asshole. You self righteous elitist fuck. 

[Lustral]

Are you an omnipresent being? If not, your just spewing allegations about a distant era that coincides with a point of view predetermined by your family, society or molestation by your father. This same goes for all historical events.
 You have no right to say anybody's religious doctrine is wrong or right. Regardless on how sore your daddy left your asshole. You self righteous elitist fuck. 

I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).

I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.

Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?

I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).

[Primemuscle]

I don't think anyone would say that the Old Testament doesn't have some things that were surely passed down from person to person through the ages.

The Bible has some very old stories that are possibly true in general, if not completely accurate.

The New Testament, whether or not you believe in Jesus and miracles or what not certainly has good things to read in regards to life lessons.

The Bible, like almost all written material, is open to various interpretations. As you point out, there is much that can be taken from the Bible that is good. Unfortunately, some groups of people have used it and other ancient religious doctrines as excuses to fight with and murder those who hold different beliefs. More blood has been and is currently being shed in the name of religion than any other reason.

[SF1900]

I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).

I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.

Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?

I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).

Agreed.

[Primemuscle]

I am not an omnipresent being, my point of view is determined by education (scientific and historic).

I can say a doctrine is wrong if it is obviously false.

Someone walked on water? Ok, show me the relative density of humans and water and the surface are covered by feet and the displacement using Archimedes' principles. How is it possible? It is not. It is not repeatable either. Do you believe in Bigfoot cos some bellend conspiracy dipshit said it?

I have every right to say a doctrine is wrong if that doctrine espouses falsities and blatant mistruths, not to mention completely inhumane punishments (stoning, death for minor crimes etc).

Many religions suggest we should accept these fantastic anomalies "on faith". I'm not inclined to be that gullible.