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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #150 on: April 02, 2006, 01:27:10 PM »
forgot about that one :o good call...

but you gotta cut Flex some slack, he was big ballin in his 500 doing 170 and crashed and broke his neck ;)

Well, Wheeler had recovered from that accident, to a degree. But, he may have comeback too soon. He was a little lighter than he was in '93 and barely beat Aaron Baker at the IronMan and Florida Pro show. Some fans feel that Baker got stiffed and should have won at least one of those shows.

The problem arrived when, in somewhat of an upset, Mike Francois knocked off Flex to win the Arnold Classic. Wheeler was supposed to try and avenge that lost as the San Francisco Pro show a week later; but, he withdrew, due to illness.

The word is that Wheeler thought his lack of size cost him the Classic against Francois. So, he beefed up to competed with the big boys. But, he overdid it; didn't come into the Olympia in prime shape; and Francois ended up beating him again, anyway (along with the aforementioned Chris Cormier).


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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #151 on: April 02, 2006, 02:03:50 PM »
Well, Wheeler had recovered from that accident, to a degree. But, he may have comeback too soon. He was a little lighter than he was in '93 and barely beat Aaron Baker at the IronMan and Florida Pro show. Some fans feel that Baker got stiffed and should have won at least one of those shows.

The problem arrived when, in somewhat of an upset, Mike Francois knocked off Flex to win the Arnold Classic. Wheeler was supposed to try and avenge that lost as the San Francisco Pro show a week later; but, he withdrew, due to illness.

The word is that Wheeler thought his lack of size cost him the Classic against Francois. So, he beefed up to competed with the big boys. But, he overdid it; didn't come into the Olympia in prime shape; and Francois ended up beating him again, anyway (along with the aforementioned Chris Cormier).



Great post. I was watching the 1995 Mr. Olympia the other day and I couldn't believe how much bigger flex looked than in 93! Especially the upper body. It almost looked as if he had started using synthol in 95

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #152 on: April 02, 2006, 04:37:35 PM »
Ahh, what did Zane weigh ?

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #153 on: April 02, 2006, 04:40:56 PM »
Which would you prefer ?????

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« Reply #154 on: April 02, 2006, 11:04:07 PM »
The list

1. Bob Paris
2. Steve Reeves
3. Frank Zane
4. Labrada
5. Wheeler
6. Charles Clairmonte
7. Milos
8. deMey
9. Samir
10. Makkawy
11. Shawn Ray
12. Cormier
13. Thierry Pastel
14. Mendenhall
15. Haney
16. Nubret
17. Padilla
18. Sergio
19. Sonny Schmidt
20. Melvin Anthony

  I disagree. I think Labrada, Platz and Oliva should be at the top of the list. Oliva is a special case:the large man with long muscle bellies and perfect balance. By the criteria alone, he should have won the contest and be in first place.

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #155 on: April 02, 2006, 11:06:26 PM »
  I disagree. I think Labrada, Platz and Oliva should be at the top of the list. Oliva is a special case:the large man with long muscle bellies and perfect balance. By the criteria alone, he should have won the contest and be in first place.

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Sergio looked like a sack of poop. Cormier should top the list for simply being 250lbs!

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« Reply #156 on: April 02, 2006, 11:34:42 PM »
Sergio looked like a sack of poop. Cormier should top the list for simply being 250lbs!

  Cormier had/has one of the worst physiques ever. He never truly achieved his potential. Like Paul Dillet. Cormier has the built of a swimmer and not a bodybuilder.

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #157 on: April 02, 2006, 11:35:59 PM »
a swimmer i never seen a swimmer weigh 250

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #158 on: April 02, 2006, 11:37:40 PM »
so your saying they should be blocky

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« Reply #159 on: April 02, 2006, 11:50:53 PM »
a swimmer i never seen a swimmer weigh 250

  Figure of speech... ::)

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #160 on: April 02, 2006, 11:59:59 PM »
  Cormier had/has one of the worst physiques ever. He never truly achieved his potential. Like Paul Dillet. Cormier has the built of a swimmer and not a bodybuilder.

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Ok, I had a lot of respect for your opinions for this post, but are you drunk??

Cormier at the '99 Olympia presented the greatest combination of mass, aesthetics, symmetry, and proportion ever see on a pro stage. That physique would have wiped the floor with ANY ironager, and if the judges weren't so gung-ho on awarding distended bellies, and pure mass alone, Cormier should have won that show.





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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #161 on: April 03, 2006, 12:12:50 AM »
Ok, I had a lot of respect for your opinions for this post, but are you drunk??

Cormier at the '99 Olympia presented the greatest combination of mass, aesthetics, symmetry, and proportion ever see on a pro stage. That physique would have wiped the floor with ANY ironager, and if the judges weren't so gung-ho on awarding distended bellies, and pure mass alone, Cormier should have won that show.






  If you had read the "I Am An Alcoholic" thread on the General Topics Board, you'd know that I'm almost invariably drunk. But you can be sure that I wasn't drunk when I wrote about Cormier. By the way, he's one of my favorite bodybuilders. But we have to admit that he never really matched up to his potential. It's obvious, that with his skeletal and muscular structure, he should have been much better. He could have competed with some 20 lbs more of muscle, while maintaining a superb balance and detail of definition. I love Cormier; too bad he never showed what he was truly capable of... :( :-[

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #162 on: April 03, 2006, 03:09:40 AM »
This post of yours makes absolutely NO SENSE. You have no problem with Frank Zane, a "swimmer" by your standards, being on this FLEX all-time list. Yet, you're beefing about Bob Paris, a larger bodybuilder, being on this same list, or at least, being #1?

Your assessment of Paris' accomplishments is equally bizzare. From the very link you provided, we find that Bob Paris won the NPC Nationals and the Mr. Universe. He qualified for the Olympia several times, placing in the top 10 on three occasions.

There are IFBB pros who would kill to boast a resume like that. You're blubbering more about Paris than a guy like Matt Mendenhall who, unlike Paris, did not win the Nationals (or the USA, or the North American) to earn his pro card. If anyone on that list deserves your "achieved jack----" award, it's Mendenhall, not Paris.

The comparison with Arnold was to make this point. If a guy 6', 230-lbs is a "swimmer", then so would be a 6'2, 240-lb. guy also be a "swimmer".

Lastly, this issue is STRICTLY about aesthetic bodybuilders physiques; so, I give Paris his due for what he's accomplished in building his physique. As for his homosexual lifestyle, that's another subject for another time. Truth be told, I was a bit surprised that he was #1. But, I'm certainly not shocked that his physique, aesthetically speaking, is ranked up there with the best of them.

The funny thing with Frank Zane was the fact that he was actually a swimmer.

But furtheron, try to figure out what the standards where back then,
Frank Zane was the best period, there's no room for discussion. Buy a tape if you don't believe it.
Second, in those days, the olympia had a lightweightclass and a heavyweight,
Frank Zane won three times the overall.
In 1980 he became third because the IFBB joined everything. Shortly after Lee Haney came in the picture.

What I truly can't understand that you're trying to give BoB Paris credit he doesn't deserve,
during his era he achieved jackshit;
I can't understand why you claim that he was 230/240 BB, cause he was not. When he started out, he weighed around 200lbs and won the NPC, when he start becoming heavier it was game over.

I also don't understand why you bring up Mendenhall, does he stand number 1, and is he gay?

And before you start all over again about Frank Zane, and his "swimmersphysique"
it's the package that's presented, not weight or height,
Bob Paris, always looked soft, he just couldn't play the game,
frank zane during contest rockhard.
http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/classicbodybuilderbobparis.html
http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/frankzane.html

Olympia 1980,

front, second of right,
spell d-e-t-a-i-l , and despite the lack of mass and weighing less than 200, he still looks impressive next to the other guys, but like I said, buy the tape, and reconsider your thought,
more;
http://www.frankzane.com/Frank_Zane-3-time_Mr-Olympia_Photo-archive001.htm
So stop bitching about Zane,
he was the man, you can't hold up your case with Bob Paris.

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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #163 on: April 03, 2006, 07:53:40 AM »
The funny thing with Frank Zane was the fact that he was actually a swimmer.

But furtheron, try to figure out what the standards where back then,
Frank Zane was the best period, there's no room for discussion. Buy a tape if you don't believe it.
Second, in those days, the olympia had a lightweightclass and a heavyweight,
Frank Zane won three times the overall.
In 1980 he became third because the IFBB joined everything. Shortly after Lee Haney came in the picture.

What I truly can't understand that you're trying to give BoB Paris credit he doesn't deserve,
during his era he achieved jackshit;
I can't understand why you claim that he was 230/240 BB, cause he was not. When he started out, he weighed around 200lbs and won the NPC, when he start becoming heavier it was game over.

I also don't understand why you bring up Mendenhall, does he stand number 1, and is he gay?

And before you start all over again about Frank Zane, and his "swimmersphysique"
it's the package that's presented, not weight or height,
Bob Paris, always looked soft, he just couldn't play the game,
frank zane during contest rockhard.
http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/classicbodybuilderbobparis.html
http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/frankzane.html

Olympia 1980,

front, second of right,
spell d-e-t-a-i-l , and despite the lack of mass and weighing less than 200, he still looks impressive next to the other guys, but like I said, buy the tape, and reconsider your thought,
more;
http://www.frankzane.com/Frank_Zane-3-time_Mr-Olympia_Photo-archive001.htm
So stop bitching about Zane,
he was the man, you can't hold up your case with Bob Paris.

First of all, I'm not complaining about Zane at all; so, you can kill that noise right now. Zane most definitely deserves his spot on this all-time aesthetics list. At no time, did I suggest that Zane was unworthy of his accomplishments, either on this list or as Mr. Olympia. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Your assessment as to why Zane lost is a tad dubious. The injury he suffered (and the mass he lost, subsequently, as a result) had more to do with his loss, than the mere combining the weight classes. Zane has stated in interviews that he never should have competed in the 1980 Olympia. He conceded that he let Arnold Schwarzenegger goad him into entering that show. Arnold wanted to make his comeback and felt that regaining the Olympia title would mean more, if he beat the defending champion to do it.

As for Bob Paris, I'm not giving him undeserved credit. Maybe you see winning the NPC Nationals, the Universe, and placing in the top 10 at the Olympia three times as achieving Jack----; but, I simply do not. Again, there are IFBB pros TODAY, who would love to have such credentials.

Paris' bodyweight? 230 lbs. is what was listed in FLEX; I've seen him listed at 225 in an issue of Muscle & Fitness from 1989. I've never stated he was 240; that was used to describe Arnold Schwarzenegger. Regardless of his bodyweight, Paris' bodybuilding resume' is still a good one, in my book.

Lastly, we are talking about AESTHETIC PHYSIQUES, flesh, muscle, and bone. What on Earth does Paris' homosexual lifestyle have to do with how aesthetic his physique is or what he's done onstage?




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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #164 on: April 03, 2006, 06:00:51 PM »
I'll take Cormiers, (In shape) Perfect X frame any day. And If you have seen Chris In person. He's far from being short. Perfect hight to weight proportions. IMO. How you can say Zane Is aesthetic is beyond me.

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« Reply #165 on: April 03, 2006, 06:15:19 PM »
Besides His 99 form. He was bigger and more full, while still having great condition In 2001. His best year . IMO. Look up that contest and see. Chris was on !! How you can compare Zane or Reeves to Chris I don't know. As far as this " swimmers thing " everyone keeps referring to. Well there Is no way anyone would call Cormiers physique to be that of a swimmer. Today's bodybuilder might look upon Zanes and Reeves as one. All great physique's none the less. My point is, everyone's opinion of what is aesthetic is subjective. I think in the end what is aesthetic to almost everyone, is a physique that regardless of the amount of muscle, is nice to look at. ( It flows ). Not a physique where in anyway you say " that's ugly " !!!
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Re: FLEX mag top 20 aesthetic physiques.
« Reply #166 on: April 03, 2006, 06:22:51 PM »
And before I get bashed for saying I'm not crazy for Zanes physique. Well that's just my opinion. To me,  modern day bodybuilding Is more about the X frame than say a Y frame.
IE.. ( Bigger legs ) . Two different eras. I just prefer the physiques of the late 80's and 90's.