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DEEP Deficits without Tren
« on: August 10, 2016, 11:05:57 AM »
Is it safe, Is it worth it? I've crash-dieted for surprise holidays and so forth for ages if needed to drop BF quick but tren was always involved even if low dosed at 350mg seemed to keep the strength and protect muscle.

Going on a surprise holiday in 3 weeks and want to crash diet without Tren talking 1500cals, 45 liss ED, 50mcg T3, 120mg clen ED.

stack just what I have laying around

1g Test (Can increase but don't seem the point till levels peak if I have 3 weeks)
10iu HGH ED (Generics somastims, have humatrope on hand but saving for blasts)
100mg Tbol ED

Worth it to go 2k cal deficit on that stack without tren or just go moderate deficit and not be extremely peeled for holiday can reach 8% easy but want to be absolutely dry shredded 5-6% so even if I binge little bit on holiday I have more leeway.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 11:11:59 AM »
just go with tren.
I am planning a crashdiet myself and I will be running:

Sibutramine 10-20mg ED (never used it before and will experiment)
Tren Ace 75mg EoD
Tren E 100mg EoD
Test Prop 100mg EoD
//* Will also experiment with superdrol and oral tren  ;D *//

My diet will be as little as possible and mornings fasted. Aiming for like 1000kcal.

Wanted to use ECA but cant afford it. :-\

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 11:23:30 AM »
If you're a true 8% then you're already shredded.  5% is contest condition, which you're not going to maintain for any length of time anyway, so there's really no point.  Tren isn't needed.  GH will do more to preserve muscle than anything else. 

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 12:13:02 PM »
I'm a crash dieter as well. 1g of test, 400 tren e, 400 mast e, t3 100mcg, 5ius gh.... ill use an anti e at the end... I also switch to the fast acting esters for the last 4 weeks of the same drugs. maybe throw in some winny for those last 4 weeks too.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2016, 01:08:31 PM »
If I needed to crash diet, I would be using DHT derived drugs / non aromatising androgens. If you choose to use test, which I wouldn't on a few weeks of crash dieting, then keep the AI dosage high. Estrogen is a key enemy to fat loss. I also wouldn't use HGH for the sake of holding on to some water, or at least I'd drop it a few days from the holiday.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 01:32:59 PM »
I don't have tren laying around need to order and don't feel like ordering just to get in shape for holidays and also not 8% rn but I can get there with normal deficit and some cardio but want to get lower.

I think the test and HGH will maintain the muscle if not I'll find out all an learning experience anyway.. and for the Test and HGH holding water.. HGH could be true to an extent but this is very individual and Test never understood how people hold water on test if their E2 is in check i've been up to 2g Test and looked dry if my E2 AND diet was in check.

The only thing with High Test and HGH I've found to suck is IF you binge or do a cheatday just have a day where your diet is not in check it's not forgiving at all and you will be holding water like no tomorrow the next day but just more motivation to keep your diet 100% since you know you will be punished hard else.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2016, 02:14:54 PM »
I don't have tren laying around need to order and don't feel like ordering just to get in shape for holidays and also not 8% rn but I can get there with normal deficit and some cardio but want to get lower.

I think the test and HGH will maintain the muscle if not I'll find out all an learning experience anyway.. and for the Test and HGH holding water.. HGH could be true to an extent but this is very individual and Test never understood how people hold water on test if their E2 is in check i've been up to 2g Test and looked dry if my E2 AND diet was in check.

The only thing with High Test and HGH I've found to suck is IF you binge or do a cheatday just have a day where your diet is not in check it's not forgiving at all and you will be holding water like no tomorrow the next day but just more motivation to keep your diet 100% since you know you will be punished hard else.


Well tren is far from essential. In fact, it massively increases my hunger, which isn't so handy when attempting a big defecit.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 03:33:19 PM »
Water weight on GH from having a cheat day?  I actually look better for 2 days after having a binge.  More veins, fuller, rounder, skin tighter. 

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 05:50:22 PM »
Water weight on GH from having a cheat day?  I actually look better for 2 days after having a binge.  More veins, fuller, rounder, skin tighter. 

You're on Pharma I suppose, I get waterclogged on generics but yeah I feel you but can't be fucked cruising on pharma gh.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2016, 02:15:22 AM »
Water weight on GH from having a cheat day?  I actually look better for 2 days after having a binge.  More veins, fuller, rounder, skin tighter. 

Agree , i am on 3iu humatrope ed and 2,5 g gear

When i go binge with noodles , burgers,pizza,sushi,ice cream ... I look fuller and more dry next day ..

Weird but my friend is on a generic called angtropin and he has this problem .. When we eat out his face swell up , is like his eyes are punched lol

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2016, 02:16:23 AM »
I used to diet on deca - winny with very little cals 1200-1700 and i was shredded


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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2016, 02:34:40 AM »
Agree , i am on 3iu humatrope ed and 2,5 g gear

When i go binge with noodles , burgers,pizza,sushi,ice cream ... I look fuller and more dry next day ..

Weird but my friend is on a generic called angtropin and he has this problem .. When we eat out his face swell up , is like his eyes are punched lol

Nice I want to cruise on Pharma grade aswell I suppose but at the cost of 2iu/day of Pharma I can do 10iu of Generics/day feels like I'm gaining on cruises aswell even if I don't look as good.

Is humatrope the only pharma grade you've ever been on? I've only tried genotropin and I'm pleased but I can get humatrope for a little bit cheaper and I see it gets alot of love.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2016, 04:38:49 AM »
Nice I want to cruise on Pharma grade aswell I suppose but at the cost of 2iu/day of Pharma I can do 10iu of Generics/day feels like I'm gaining on cruises aswell even if I don't look as good.

Is humatrope the only pharma grade you've ever been on? I've only tried genotropin and I'm pleased but I can get humatrope for a little bit cheaper and I see it gets alot of love.


I dont trust the generics .. That just me

Yes i use gh only some months , before only aas , humatrope is all i have used , my guy has saizen too but is more expensive


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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2016, 02:42:02 PM »
If you've got even a simple test cycle going on, you should have more than enough exogenous hormones to not wither away on a serious cut. Also a big fan of "crash dieting" too. People say it's bad, but it does work. Not a long term solution, but if you wanna rip the fuck up then go hard because it works. Plain and simple.

I would add the tren - just for the sheer fact that it dices you up (regardless of what people say about gear and fat loss), you get that thin skin and the muscles get that really tight, full look. People that say you get puny on tren must be doing something that I'm not familiar with, because I always look tight and full on it. Not full like on anadrol, but enough that when I cut people ask me if I've been bulking because I look a lot bigger. I never run a ton of shit either, just some test, a little mast, throw in some tren but no burners or T3 because they make me feel too stimmed out. Just a little ephedrine if I'm not cutting successfully or my appetite gets out of control. Ephedrine also makes me feel like shit, but it's fast acting and you can do a few days of it and see good results.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2016, 07:57:09 PM »
2k kcal deficit... Ugh.. Anything more than a 500-700kcal deficit after 12-14days will cause downregulation in tsh/t4 without a cheat meal. A 2k deficits?? Losing a lotttttta muscle.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2016, 01:04:02 AM »
I dont see how one can lose muscle on 1g of test 10iu of HGH and clen.
I mean unless you have a 270 pounds lean frame maybe but for the average gym rat it wont happen. Being flat sure but not losing tissue or even strengh.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2016, 12:37:17 AM »
Heavily muscled or not, even half a gram should keep everything there that was meant to be.

Remember, whenever most people think they're shrinking it's usually just bloat that's going away, or they're glycogen depleted which is also nothing at all. Most people just don't realize what little muscle they actually have under their bloat and pudge.

You'll be fine. If you start withering away then it's time to really reassess things without the distortion. I've cut hardcore by just fasting (I don't like the term crash dieting). And you know what? It works. It may increase cortisol in the PRELIMINARY phase and maybe sap some micrograms of animo acids that you could NEVER discern without high tech lab equipment and a battery of tests.... but it works. Plain and simple.

Just don't "crash" or fast for a super extended period of time. I do a 18/6 hour IF window because it works, I get better pumps from not always eating, I shit better, I feel more energetic, and it fits into my life style a lot better. I get lean as fuck and if I ever cheat, my body just wants to give me a massive pump instead of stomach distension and watery skin like everyone else.

Fasting and/or infrequent eating, plus keto or low cals will get you RIPPED. But just to keep the momentum going, break that fast and eat more frequently with higher calories every few days. This isn't "muscle confusion" or some other sort of gimmick - you just become acclimated. But you can replicate the results of fasting by intermittent fasting, not just consecutively fasting. That will cause some eventual muscle loss, but I hate hearing about muscle loss - period. Fucking no one on a steroid board should ever even mention this unless they're hospitalized or talking about a different person who happens to have a muscle wasting disease. This ain't pre school and if you're using steroids, why in the fuck would muscle loss ever enter the discussion? lol

(last part not directed at OP, just a generalization)

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2016, 06:07:37 AM »
Water weight on GH from having a cheat day?  I actually look better for 2 days after having a binge.  More veins, fuller, rounder, skin tighter. 

Same, I swear it's a cheat day and looking better each day on good growth

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016, 12:53:26 AM »
Cheat meals will make you look better if you are depleted. Actually you should look leaner since the muscle will be filled up with glycogen and sodium, actually thinning the skin.
If already full then its just counterproductive.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2016, 07:28:06 AM »
Cheat meals aren't for appearance... They're to avoid thyroid down regulation.

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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2016, 04:26:09 AM »
can't go too low of calories for extended period of time...do one huge refeed meal every week works better..
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Re: DEEP Deficits without Tren
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2016, 01:45:49 AM »
can't go too low of calories for extended period of time...do one huge refeed meal every week works better..

Thyroid downregulates after 12-14days. IME 1 cheat meal per week is too much for most people.