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pellius

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #175 on: March 29, 2018, 12:24:10 AM »
More good lawyering.  ::)


/and talking

More dodging and retreating.

 ::)

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #176 on: March 29, 2018, 12:27:45 AM »
More dodging and retreating.

 ::)
Hey, grab'em by the pussy, right?.  ::)

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #177 on: March 29, 2018, 01:00:23 AM »
Hey, grab'em by the pussy, right?.  ::)

What?

Quite a low for a sophisticated PBS Liberal like you.

I seem to bring out the worse in you.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #178 on: March 29, 2018, 01:05:38 AM »
Build the wall.


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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #179 on: March 29, 2018, 01:36:16 AM »
Build the wall.



So it's come to this?

In the words of the great Donald Trump, "Sad".

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #180 on: March 29, 2018, 06:09:51 AM »
Gradations are inherent in our number system. Silly Wabbit, I thought you would at least know that. Do I have to pull quotes from an arithmetic book, also?

Please do.  And show how they correlate to SIN with making one sin greater or lesser depending on these "gradations".  Hell, you can pull it directly from the fairy tale book itself if that helps you.

Or just continue your irrelevant whining.  (Which is what everyone expects)

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #181 on: March 29, 2018, 06:12:20 AM »
More dodging and retreating.

 ::)

Says the person who hasn't made a sensible defense to his claim that the same sin can be greater or lesser for different people depending on circumstances. 

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We understand you are a Trump supporter.  That's why we are not expecting too much in way of evidence to asinine claims.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #182 on: March 29, 2018, 06:52:50 AM »
Why is that? If atheist are so much smarter how come they can't rise to positions of power and influence?
because over 80% of americans think angels are real,

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #183 on: March 29, 2018, 06:54:14 AM »
Says the person who hasn't made a sensible defense to his claim that the same sin can be greater or lesser for different people depending on circumstances. 

 ::)

We understand you are a Trump supporter.  That's why we are not expecting too much in way of evidence to asinine claims.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #184 on: March 29, 2018, 07:20:57 AM »
pellius!?more lies, please.  :)

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #185 on: March 29, 2018, 10:38:15 AM »
Good answer, my friend. Good answer. As a fellow unrepentant Agnostic for over 20 years (much to the horror of my Catholic parents) we may not be that far in regard to our reasoning process even though we come to quite different ideas. But you are quite right, in any system based on faith, rather than proof, emotions play a large part in one's conclusions. I've seen this played out many times in real life. Even my own father, who was far superior insofar as pure cognitive abilities, would grow angry and frustrated when his cognitive dissonance was clearly proven by his own reasoning. A typical example would be the issue of abortion which Catholics believe is murder. Though they may say that. Think they believe that. They don't really. Not by their own reasoning when posed with some basic questions about life and the taking of an innocent life.

And though I believe that some may not vote for an Atheist no matter what. I don't believe it's the majority. At least when it comes to Conservatives. I think Conservatives takes a more realistic approach to issues. Gun control is a typical one. Most Conservatives accept the fact that in life it's not always between good and bad but between bad and worse. Trump wasn't my first choice but when the alternative was Hillary, it wasn't even close.

And I never presume to know a man's heart. And neither should you nor anyone else. I would not be so fast to call someone a "pretend" this or that.

I agree with 90% of your post. Where we part in opinion is I said in "some" areas the majority will not vote for an Atheist. I can tell you that in most parts of Oklahoma you won't find an atheist in office. They just can't bring themselves to vote for an atheist. An atheist to them equals satan. And as far as presuming to know a mans heart, I certainly disagree and so would Jesus. The bible says "They will know you by your fruit" and that is certainly true. You can tell me all day long you are a good person, but if you are constantly breaking into homes, robbing convenience stores, and dealing meth, I can use some deductive reasoning to determine you really aren't. In regards to Trump, as Josh McDowell used to ask, or maybe it was C.S. Lewis, "if you were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" and I think Trump would walk on those charges.     

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #186 on: March 29, 2018, 12:07:39 PM »
pellius!?more lies, please.  :)

What level of gradation would you like your lies?  It's a sin to lie, but let's just have him do the smaller ones... they count for less apperently.   ::)  We don't want to get him eternally condemned over telling bigger ones. 

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #187 on: March 29, 2018, 12:20:07 PM »

We understand you are a Trump supporter.  That's why we are not expecting too much in way of evidence to asinine claims.


OK, so can I put you down as one who does not believe that there are degrees of sin? That, say, stealing is stealing no matter what you steal? That killing is killing no matter what the context? You need me to
provide evidence to support this claim. This assine claim.

Anyone else? Please, don't be afraid. Come forward and proclaim your beliefs. You have Lurker, and now Professor chimps to back you.

This where moral relativism came from and the Left were the biggest defender of Communism.

Duly noted and bookmarked.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #188 on: March 29, 2018, 12:28:49 PM »
pellius!?more lies, please.  :)

If you can indulge me since I'm not too bright, being a Trump supporter and all, and point
out one lie I said. Just one. I know that puts you in the tenuous position of actually having
to engage in a debate that you studiously avoid when it comes to me, but you know, just
for old time's sake. I know you can do it.

Courage. my friend. Courage.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #189 on: March 29, 2018, 03:14:19 PM »
OK, so can I put you down as one who does not believe that there are degrees of sin? That, say, stealing is stealing no matter what you steal? That killing is killing no matter what the context? You need me to
provide evidence to support this claim. This assine claim.

Anyone else? Please, don't be afraid. Come forward and proclaim your beliefs. You have Lurker, and now Professor chimps to back you.

This where moral relativism came from and the Left were the biggest defender of Communism.

Duly noted and bookmarked.

All sin is equal.  Unless of course you are an idiot named pellius and claim there are gradations of sin where it can be worse or lesser depending on......   what again?.   Pretty sure you can provide the guide to differentiate the degrees of sin.   ::)

Should be fairly easy to provide evidence of this.  Hasn't happened yet though.  Wonder why?

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #190 on: March 29, 2018, 05:09:04 PM »
All sin is equal.  Unless of course you are an idiot named pellius and claim there are gradations of sin where it can be worse or lesser depending on......   what again?.   Pretty sure you can provide the guide to differentiate the degrees of sin.   ::)

Should be fairly easy to provide evidence of this.  Hasn't happened yet though.  Wonder why?

This thread is replete with examples.

Try again.

Anybody else, other than chimps, have trouble with this concept?

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #191 on: March 29, 2018, 05:15:32 PM »
This thread is replete with examples.

Try again.

Anybody else, other than chimps, have trouble with this concept?

Translation : "I can't support my claim so instead I will just WHIIINNNNNNEEEEEE"

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #192 on: March 29, 2018, 07:06:24 PM »
this is getting ludicrous. Pellius and Lurknomore are both intelligent, articulate individuals. What seems to have happened is nitpicking has taken over the discussion,. Can we all (including myself and including several threads) just take a breath, back up and realize we are simply stating our opinions here and the mere fact someone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't make them inferior or stupid, it just means they don't share the same philosophy, ideology or opinion. I've been guilty of this as well and it's really ridiculous to find myself getting sucked into insult trading during the exchange of ideals. 

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #193 on: March 29, 2018, 09:35:13 PM »
Ideas.  Exchange of ideas, ya pudknocker.

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #194 on: March 29, 2018, 09:36:30 PM »
Ideas.  Exchange of ideas, ya pudknocker.

well spoken. You sir, are a statesman

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Re: Trump Administration - Your Fired - Who is Next?
« Reply #195 on: April 01, 2018, 12:33:37 AM »
I agree with 90% of your post. Where we part in opinion is I said in "some" areas the majority will not vote for an Atheist. I can tell you that in most parts of Oklahoma you won't find an atheist in office. They just can't bring themselves to vote for an atheist. An atheist to them equals satan. And as far as presuming to know a mans heart, I certainly disagree and so would Jesus. The bible says "They will know you by your fruit" and that is certainly true. You can tell me all day long you are a good person, but if you are constantly breaking into homes, robbing convenience stores, and dealing meth, I can use some deductive reasoning to determine you really aren't. In regards to Trump, as Josh McDowell used to ask, or maybe it was C.S. Lewis, "if you were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" and I think Trump would walk on those charges.    

Actually you said, "in many areas the majority" and "many" is more than "some" but, hey, who's counting? Either way I will concede the point that anyone running for political office will be at a considerable disadvantage because; as much as atheist and those on the Left like to deny it, unless it suits their agenda (like now), this is still a predominantly Christian country founded on Judeo/Christian ethics.

And though you presume to speak for Jesus only Jesus knows what's in a man's heart. You give an example of how you can determine one's heart by their behavior -- their fruit, as it were. Yes, you can
judge a person's behavior but not necessarily their heart -- their intention. Their motivation.
I really doubt that Pol Pot or Hitler got up every morning and said to themselves, "OK, so how can
I make the world a more miserable place? How can I increase human suffering?" They believe they were making for a better world. Killing 1 out 3 of his own people was a price that Pol Pot was willing to pay.
Probably more harm has been done in this world by people convinced they were doing good. "The road to hell is pave with good intentions" is indeed a truism.

That's why I would defend Mike O'hearn here for his charity work. People here are convinced that he is
doing it just to promote himself and his reputation and as an excuse to display his triceps. Maybe they are right. I don't know. I don't know what is in his heart. All I do know is that he is making a positive
difference in other people's lives. Far, far more than those who do nothing but criticize him. Who cares if a doctor wants to find a cure for cancer just so he can win a Nobel prize and have a legacy even if he really doesn't give a crap about people with cancer?

I would much rather have someone do a good thing for selfish reasons then bad things with the best of
intentions. Obviously we all want pure thoughts and pure actions but since I don't presume to know what's in a man's heart I always judge a person by their actions and leave their soul to God.