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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #125 on: January 15, 2019, 08:17:55 AM »
Piece of cake for Jonny Jones. DC can now get his fat fucking head kicked in for the 3rd time. Jon Jones = GOAT!!!
It was a piece of cake. The punishment this time was way severe then last. If DC is smart he can see the pattern Bones has in his rematches :o! Jones= GOAT!

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #126 on: January 15, 2019, 08:52:39 AM »
I competed in two Jiu-Jitsu tournaments that had same day weigh ins. Both were a disaster. It really held things up and what usually ends at 9:00 pm dragged on until after 11:00 pm. Also, those that didn't make weight couldn't be rescheduled to another weight class because it's already been set. They wanted their entrance fee back because there was no clause that they forfeit their fee if they don't make weight. Also, there were tons of cheating especially by Brasilians favoring other Brasilian competitors. There was no overseeing authority.

And it wasn't any safer for the competitors because they would actually be competing in a dehydrated and starved state since they had no time to carb back up. The body count being dragged out of there easily quadrupled.

With pro shows like the UFC I believe there's money to be made because they charge to be present at the weigh in, which is now ceremonial. Also, imagine if someone doesn't make weight on the night of the show? Really throws a monkey wrench in the whole thing and no time to figue out the best alternative: cancel? fine? let it go anyway.

And I still don't think it will be safer for the fighters as they will just be more likely to fight physically compromised.

No matter what the rules, as long as it applies to everybody equally then it's fair. It's very unlikely to change. Fighters are going to fight at a weight they think they can win. T.J. Dillashaw is cutting to 124 lbs when he was almost 150 lbs when he fought Cody.



In the case of them not making weight in the UFC, a percentage of the fighters purse that didn't make weight will go to the opposing the fighter. If the fighter that didn't make weight but is close (not sure what the weight difference might be) they can opt for a catch weight as long as the other camp agrees. Needless to say it's kinda disrespectful to the fighter that busted his ass to make weight.

In the case of TJ, I don't train him but have got to know him fairly well over the last few months because he's training where Kongo and Rampage train here in HB. He started dieting for this fight (this weekend) at 12 weeks out, and as of yesterday still has about 6-8lbs to go. If you seem him now, he probably has the lowers BF percentage I've ever seen on anyone. But IMO, this is a dangerous cut but it's ultimately his decision to drop to flyweight (124) but he has a great cut coach and if he pulls this off with no health problems I'm hitting up his coach to see exactly what he did to keep him healthy in the in the last part of that cut.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #127 on: January 15, 2019, 12:00:46 PM »
It’s interesting to see that Alexander Gustafsson and Jon Jones were very friendly and respectful after their 2 fights (pre-fight shoving & trash talking were just for show). Alexander Gustafsson didn’t really seem to care if Jones was on PED’s or not. They both had genuine smiles on their faces post-fight.

The same cannot be said about Jones & Daniel Cormier. Cormier seems to have that damaged  “Mike Mentzer” mindset. The 1980 Olympia broke Mentzer’s heart. He let Arnold’s success mentally destroy him. Jones in this case is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Don’t be surprised if 10 years from now, DC is still bitching about Jones.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #128 on: January 15, 2019, 12:26:24 PM »
It’s interesting to see that Alexander Gustafsson and Jon Jones were very friendly and respectful after their 2 fights (pre-fight shoving & trash talking were just for show). Alexander Gustafsson didn’t really seem to care if Jones was on PED’s or not. They both had genuine smiles on their faces post-fight.

The same cannot be said about Jones & Daniel Cormier. Cormier seems to have that damaged  “Mike Mentzer” mindset. The 1980 Olympia broke Mentzer’s heart. He let Arnold’s success mentally destroy him. Jones in this case is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Don’t be surprised if 10 years from now, DC is still bitching about Jones.

I wouldn’t count on the UFC even being around in 10 (or shorter) years at this rate.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #129 on: January 15, 2019, 05:01:47 PM »
I wouldn’t count on the UFC even being around in 10 (or shorter) years at this rate.

I would count on it.  But I'm curious as to why you think this?

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #130 on: January 15, 2019, 05:34:13 PM »
In the case of them not making weight in the UFC, a percentage of the fighters purse that didn't make weight will go to the opposing the fighter. If the fighter that didn't make weight but is close (not sure what the weight difference might be) they can opt for a catch weight as long as the other camp agrees. Needless to say it's kinda disrespectful to the fighter that busted his ass to make weight.

In the case of TJ, I don't train him but have got to know him fairly well over the last few months because he's training where Kongo and Rampage train here in HB. He started dieting for this fight (this weekend) at 12 weeks out, and as of yesterday still has about 6-8lbs to go. If you seem him now, he probably has the lowers BF percentage I've ever seen on anyone. But IMO, this is a dangerous cut but it's ultimately his decision to drop to flyweight (124) but he has a great cut coach and if he pulls this off with no health problems I'm hitting up his coach to see exactly what he did to keep him healthy in the in the last part of that cut.

Sevastase has gotten guys way skinnier than that in a lot less time on his training program

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #131 on: January 15, 2019, 07:44:07 PM »
I would count on it.  But I'm curious as to why you think this?

Honestly man, when you weigh out how many fighters dislike Dana White then you add in the controversies, the circus acts (Ex; Mayweather vs. McGregor, Lesnar vs. Ford) the way the fighters are migrating to other organizations after their contracts are up, reading the comments from on the boards on MMA sites, FB, Sherdog, etc...people are just fed up. Even when you listen to former UFC fighters podcasts, they’re just shitting all over Dana and UFC. People will still watch, don’t get me wrong, but I see it fading.

Bellator on the other hand, treats their fighters well (although Kongo is a little pissed at not getting a title shot after 7 wins in a row with a few first round KO’s) but he’s still treated well along with the other fighters.


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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #132 on: January 15, 2019, 07:47:10 PM »
Honestly man, when you weigh out how many fighters dislike Dana White then you add in the controversies, the circus acts (Ex; Mayweather vs. McGregor, Lesnar vs. Ford) the way the fighters are migrating to other organizations after their contracts are up, reading the comments from on the boards on MMA sites, FB, Sherdog, etc...people are just fed up. Even when you listen to former UFC fighters podcasts, they’re just shitting all over Dana and UFC. People will still watch, done get me wrong, but I see it fading.

Bellator on the other hand, treats their fighters well (although Kongo is a little pissed at not getting a title shot after 7 wins in a row with a few first round KO’s) but he’s still treated well along with the other fighters.
dana doesnt realize you need good fighters to sell out ppv
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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #133 on: January 15, 2019, 08:54:24 PM »
dana doesnt realize you need good fighters to sell out ppv

He still has great fighters, they’ll soon realize after getting shit on.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #134 on: January 15, 2019, 09:10:03 PM »
dana doesnt realize you need good fighters to sell out ppv

This is grown up talk.  Go back to posting pics of your cock.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #135 on: January 15, 2019, 09:13:41 PM »
Honestly man, when you weigh out how many fighters dislike Dana White then you add in the controversies, the circus acts (Ex; Mayweather vs. McGregor, Lesnar vs. Ford) the way the fighters are migrating to other organizations after their contracts are up, reading the comments from on the boards on MMA sites, FB, Sherdog, etc...people are just fed up. Even when you listen to former UFC fighters podcasts, they’re just shitting all over Dana and UFC. People will still watch, don’t get me wrong, but I see it fading.

Bellator on the other hand, treats their fighters well (although Kongo is a little pissed at not getting a title shot after 7 wins in a row with a few first round KO’s) but he’s still treated well along with the other fighters.



I'm with you on this.  I really pull for Bellator to succeed.  I think they can keep the UFC honest.  I would like to see a couple of UFC champs leave and go to Bellator.  Tyrone Woodley for sure should do it.  He's been treated so disrespectfully by the UFC and Dana White.  That would fuck up the UFC's Welterweight situation.  Bellator would then have the best welterweight in the world as well as one of the top 3-5 p4p fighters.

If I'm Stipe, as soon as I win back the UFC title, I bolt as well.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #136 on: January 16, 2019, 12:02:48 AM »
Competitors sometimes don't make weight now.  They still fight but not for title or official result, it's like an exhibition match.  You are correct about being carb depleted and not having time to carb up. I hadn't considered that.

Yes, you are right. My point was more that it will be more of a hassle and won't really change anything. A pro athlete will do anything they can, even if it endangers their health, to win.

It's more convenient for the promoter to do it a day before and it's a good marketing show. And I think, at least with the UFC, they charge for the weigh-ins so they make money as well. People seem to love a good stare down and a possible scuffle.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2019, 02:51:31 AM »
Yes, you are right. My point was more that it will be more of a hassle and won't really change anything. A pro athlete will do anything they can, even if it endangers their health, to win.

It's more convenient for the promoter to do it a day before and it's a good marketing show. And I think, at least with the UFC, they charge for the weigh-ins so they make money as well. People seem to love a good stare down and a possible scuffle.
Yeah, the stare down doesn't have the same effect if they are going to be in the octagon 15 min later.

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #138 on: January 17, 2019, 07:40:47 AM »
It was a piece of cake. The punishment this time was way severe then last. If DC is smart he can see the pattern Bones has in his rematches :o! Jones= GOAT!

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #139 on: January 17, 2019, 11:13:52 AM »

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #140 on: January 17, 2019, 11:22:40 AM »
Just another reason why the UFC won’t last

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #141 on: January 17, 2019, 11:33:03 AM »
Diana looks more like a gay best friend

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #142 on: January 17, 2019, 06:40:26 PM »
Just another reason why the UFC won’t last

http://combatnations.com/video-dana-whites-mother-tells-all-hes-banging-all-the-ring-card-girls/

What is the FTC investigating for? Other than the monopoly part, any specific business practices?

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #143 on: January 17, 2019, 06:49:47 PM »
I don't understand why the fighters don't form a union. Two top boxers will get 20, 30 40 million and a lot more for a top fight. Most of the guys you watch fight in the UFC are getting chump change while the executives are lining their pockets. It's only a matter of time before the fighters flee to other organizations. The ranking system is a complete joke. One thing for sure. A MMA fighter's career is a short one. They take a savage beatings and they don't last. How many of these top champs are fighting twice a year and still have to retire?

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Re: UFC 232
« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2019, 02:41:04 AM »
I don't understand why the fighters don't form a union. Two top boxers will get 20, 30 40 million and a lot more for a top fight. Most of the guys you watch fight in the UFC are getting chump change while the executives are lining their pockets. It's only a matter of time before the fighters flee to other organizations. The ranking system is a complete joke. One thing for sure. A MMA fighter's career is a short one. They take a savage beatings and they don't last. How many of these top champs are fighting twice a year and still have to retire?
Most of them aren't smart enough to realize they are getting screwed until they've gotten screwed.  It's like the music industry where singers will sign horrible contracts just to get a record deal and then years later are broke even after millions of albums sold.