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Here's the thing...
« on: November 08, 2020, 12:27:05 PM »
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Re: Here's the thing...
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2020, 12:43:24 PM »
He also needs to get together with Congress and sign another stimulus or 1/2 of Getbiggers will be homeless.
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Re: Here's the thing...
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2020, 12:49:11 PM »
THE PISSENING!


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Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 03:08:59 PM »
I don't know if this particular election was rigged, but in the grand scheme of things, which election in the USA isn't rigged?

Bear with me on this, because it's a question I'd like your opinions on in order to better see this from all possible angles. In order to come up with this hypothesis, I looked at three factors as the main reasons for justification:

  • Handpicked candidates from limited parties
  • Electoral college manipulation of outcomes
  • Selective media exposure

Think about the candidates that run for president on either the Left or Right (I mention only these two parties, because they are frankly the only two that get any airtime to begin with). These left/right candidates are bought/paid for and handpicked by a generous roster of donors/lobbyist who line the pockets of these candidates with campaign money so that they are able to become relevant in the eyes of the average American that lives anywhere from the largest cities down to the middle of nowhere. If not for the flagrant amounts of money that the individual campaigns raise (Biden up to $1 Billion & Trump over $970+ million for the 2020 election), how else would they get the necessary airtime and media coverage to last over 4 years? 4 long years that it takes to properly stage a presidential campaign, while surviving/getting through the primaries and staging relentless attack ads on your opponents. Attack ads, I might add, that are aired throughout every single state, within most of the major networks AND at all given times? Hard to advertise yourself nationwide and simultaneously attack your opponents, unless you have the ammunition (i.e. money) to properly pay your troops. Joe Biden was clearly picked to be the leader of the democrats due a rich history of flip flopping on issues and getting down on his knees to service the highest bidder. That's not to say that Trump doesn't do the same, he is just more clever in his style and doesn't suffer from heavily calloused knees as much as Joe does.

Then, there's the issue of the electoral college. To think that with just 11 states a candidate is able to win the White House is preposterous. If you can afford to live in these densely populated and often expensive states, your vote *might* count (I say might, because if you're the unlucky Republican that lives in a Blue state like NY, you're mute). But say you live in the 39 other states or so, where population isn't as dense and money is also not that prominent, you really might not matter in the long run if those bigger/denser 11 states all go either blue or red. This is why I have always favored the popular vote so that everyone's vote counts.

It all seems a little too planned (dare I say rigged) to only favor the select candidates that were handpicked and molded to do the bidding of the most affluent Americans & US Corporations. Following all of the aforementioned is the fact that even our media is owned by a select group of companies (I think it's down to about 6 or 7 AND they are all turncoats, consistently kissing the hands of the ones in power). Just recently I read that James Murdoch (one of the heads of Fox News who sits on the board of directors) donated $1.2 million to Biden back in July 2020 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/17/fox-news-familys-james-murdoch-and-wife-donate-1-2-million-to-joe-biden/). Not to mention that both left & right media outlets were ALL a little too eager to project the winner of this presidential race well before many states were called. Ever find that these networks pick a candidate and heavily campaign for them, even if in covert ways that are not often noticeable?

What's your take on this? While I am not leaning too heavily on this, I often do wonder if the theater of American politics is merely just that, a theater meant to distract and gather the masses to participate in a coliseum-type event much like what was seen back in Roman times (whereas the mob would clap & cheer hard enough and the emperor's thumb might go up or possibly down) that would then distract us from bigger issues at hand (much like the patriot act was passed amidst a whole bunch of other shit and then behold, you were left with long TSA lines at every airport).

Let me know your thoughts and thanks.

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 03:09:55 PM »
Everything political is rigged.Anything regarding power and money is rigged.

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 03:16:53 PM »
Only when we lose

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2020, 03:21:41 PM »
Trump can end the 2 party system.
He should not run again, if Biden takes office, but remain a vocal voice to the 70 million people who voted for him for the next 4 years.
Then throw his support behind a third party candidate in 2024.
Long game ultimate payback to the establishment...

But that doesn't take a rigged system into consideration.

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020, 03:25:10 PM »

The voters don't decide the election... the people who count the votes decide the election.

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2020, 03:26:21 PM »
no it's not "rigged"

Trump is going to be spending the next four years trying to avoid bankruptcy and keeping his fat ass out of jail

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2020, 03:39:35 PM »
All good points you make, the problem arised in 2016 when the normal rigging moves failed and trump won...

So this election they just straight up rigged it all the way....

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2020, 03:48:18 PM »
no it's not "rigged"

Trump is going to be spending the next four years trying to avoid bankruptcy and keeping his fat ass out of jail

ok I will play the game, tell me in your own words why he will be in jail  ::)
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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2020, 03:53:13 PM »
Of course it is rigged to a certain extent. Certain polices are favorable to those with power and others aren't

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2020, 05:04:43 PM »
no it's not "rigged"

Trump is going to be spending the next four years trying to avoid bankruptcy and keeping his fat ass out of jail


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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2020, 05:19:02 PM »
No, no, no to the popular vote.   :P

The popular vote means that there can be any number of candidates vying for the biggest slice of the electorate, e.g. six run (why stop at six?) and five get 15% each, and one gets 25%.  That’s how we get a President Colbert or Limbaugh.  President Gaga?  Political parties for every minor interest.  The ensuing political turmoil from the PV would be unending.

I prefer that something usually north of 45% of the electorate picks our president.  I don't want no stinking revolution every four years.

Eff that noise.

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2020, 05:24:24 PM »
no it's not "rigged"

Trump is going to be spending the next four years trying to avoid bankruptcy and keeping his fat ass out of jail

but 2016 was all Russia right?.... you libcucks are comical.. youre a special kind of stupid though.. ill be anxious to see what you talk about when your master donald is gone after jan 20.. it wont be pussy, bodybuild, money or respect.. ill bet on that. there will be lots of losers like you.. trump gave you a reason to live, your life had meaning... now what are you going to do?

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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2020, 05:44:21 PM »
Just like the mr olympia contests, you think all those thong warriors who won the contest were judged fairly, nope


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Re: Are all US elections rigged?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2020, 05:52:29 PM »
I don't know if this particular election was rigged, but in the grand scheme of things, which election in the USA isn't rigged?

Bear with me on this, because it's a question I'd like your opinions on in order to better see this from all possible angles. In order to come up with this hypothesis, I looked at three factors as the main reasons for justification:

  • Handpicked candidates from limited parties
  • Electoral college manipulation of outcomes
  • Selective media exposure

Think about the candidates that run for president on either the Left or Right (I mention only these two parties, because they are frankly the only two that get any airtime to begin with). These left/right candidates are bought/paid for and handpicked by a generous roster of donors/lobbyist who line the pockets of these candidates with campaign money so that they are able to become relevant in the eyes of the average American that lives anywhere from the largest cities down to the middle of nowhere. If not for the flagrant amounts of money that the individual campaigns raise (Biden up to $1 Billion & Trump over $970+ million for the 2020 election), how else would they get the necessary airtime and media coverage to last over 4 years? 4 long years that it takes to properly stage a presidential campaign, while surviving/getting through the primaries and staging relentless attack ads on your opponents. Attack ads, I might add, that are aired throughout every single state, within most of the major networks AND at all given times? Hard to advertise yourself nationwide and simultaneously attack your opponents, unless you have the ammunition (i.e. money) to properly pay your troops. Joe Biden was clearly picked to be the leader of the democrats due a rich history of flip flopping on issues and getting down on his knees to service the highest bidder. That's not to say that Trump doesn't do the same, he is just more clever in his style and doesn't suffer from heavily calloused knees as much as Joe does.

Then, there's the issue of the electoral college. To think that with just 11 states a candidate is able to win the White House is preposterous. If you can afford to live in these densely populated and often expensive states, your vote *might* count (I say might, because if you're the unlucky Republican that lives in a Blue state like NY, you're mute). But say you live in the 39 other states or so, where population isn't as dense and money is also not that prominent, you really might not matter in the long run if those bigger/denser 11 states all go either blue or red. This is why I have always favored the popular vote so that everyone's vote counts.

It all seems a little too planned (dare I say rigged) to only favor the select candidates that were handpicked and molded to do the bidding of the most affluent Americans & US Corporations. Following all of the aforementioned is the fact that even our media is owned by a select group of companies (I think it's down to about 6 or 7 AND they are all turncoats, consistently kissing the hands of the ones in power). Just recently I read that James Murdoch (one of the heads of Fox News who sits on the board of directors) donated $1.2 million to Biden back in July 2020 (https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/17/fox-news-familys-james-murdoch-and-wife-donate-1-2-million-to-joe-biden/). Not to mention that both left & right media outlets were ALL a little too eager to project the winner of this presidential race well before many states were called. Ever find that these networks pick a candidate and heavily campaign for them, even if in covert ways that are not often noticeable?

What's your take on this? While I am not leaning too heavily on this, I often do wonder if the theater of American politics is merely just that, a theater meant to distract and gather the masses to participate in a coliseum-type event much like what was seen back in Roman times (whereas the mob would clap & cheer hard enough and the emperor's thumb might go up or possibly down) that would then distract us from bigger issues at hand (much like the patriot act was passed amidst a whole bunch of other shit and then behold, you were left with long TSA lines at every airport).

Let me know your thoughts and thanks.

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  • Handpicked candidates from limited parties
  • Electoral college manipulation of outcomes
  • Selective media exposure

I agree that all of the above is absolutely true. Do away with the electoral college. It is no longer needed. Currently every state makes there own rules regarding tabulating election results. All states should use the same process. On election day, no results should be announced until it is a given time in the Alaskan time zone (Hawaii is the farthest west but they do not observe daylight savings time). Limit campaign contributions and require all media to provide limited free service to candidates. Mail in and absentee ballots should be sent out early enough so that it is possible to require all ballots be returned by election day. I may be bias about this since Oregon is a mail in ballot state and ballots that come in after 8:00 p.m. on election day are not counted.



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Re: Here's the thing...
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2020, 06:23:01 PM »
I would not call that rigged. I would call it steering. If the people organized sufficiently enough they could all write in a candidate of their choice. Its as close to a democratic republic as you can get. The electoral college is part of an old agreement that I could do away with but it is what balances out the chances for the Republicans, and if all states are ok with it so am I. There are ways around it sort of, like if you have a president in office who isolates large groups of voters by doing things like not denouncing neo-nazi groups, excessive lying, fighting against science , people can vote him out of office.

In my opinion Trump made a mistake politically focused solely on the base that elected him the first time but some of those people defected as he did not make their lives better (WI, MI, PA).  At least in their perception. He should have expanded his base. He did well with Fl Latinos (Cubans). Could he have eeked out some close wins in AZ, NV, CO by appealing to some of the more conservative Latinos? Could he have won over a few more percentage of the black vote by denouncing neo-nazi groups and supporting the name change of the old civil war relics? The conservatives were always going to vote for him, just out of fear of what the left was going to do. His loss as it stands is by a tiny margin. He just did not adapt.

He was fighting too many people in too many fronts and some situations for no reason. Why did he politicize the mask wearing? If he would've just said hey I don't like it, but this expert Fauci said it has to be done, just do it people wear masks. Noone would criticize him for not closing up the country again, but they criticized him for politicizing the mask wearing. Its called science you have a higher chance of not getting it, or spreading the disease by wearing a mask. Could he have won more of those white undecideds? Could he have won some of those conservatives who voted for a Republican Senate/House of Representatives but did not vote him in? That is one of the most telling things about this election. There has to be a sizable amount of conservatives who did not vote for him but still voted republican on the other choices.

He has massive support within the right but he did not do enough to win those undecideds right in the middle.

He should consider his exit as he plans for the future. 4 years fly by and he could be right back where he left off if he switches it up a bit. Fanning the flames of hatred, or division is not the way though. He could do something positive, and unprecedented in his last 2 months that would bank some support for 2024.

Frankly, I'm disappointed in him I think he had the making of someone who could've been a much better leader, and could have been a uniting force as opposed to a dividing force. His ego, and inability to see the big picture were his undoing.

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Re: Here's the thing...
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2020, 11:35:31 AM »
What a fall from grace to America. A rigged country.

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Re: Here's the thing...
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2020, 03:05:25 PM »
He should have expanded his base. He did well with Fl Latinos (Cubans).

By any chance, do you happen to know a good reason why he did so well with Cubans in Florida?

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