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Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« on: February 07, 2022, 04:15:46 PM »
looks like we have biden to thank , the country is doing very well
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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2022, 04:28:09 PM »
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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2022, 05:45:01 PM »
looks like we have biden to thank , the country is doing very well
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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2022, 05:51:14 PM »
looks like we have biden to thank , the country is doing very well

Does it include all of the gentlemen working for cash in room 7?
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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2022, 05:56:55 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-road-1950s-style-unemployment-it-may-only-be-pit-stop-2022-02-07/

Looks like they're saying with rising inflation it indicates coming recession.

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2022, 06:12:41 PM »
That economist thinks it may soon dip below 3 percent but that is only one economist’s guess. It is now up around 3.9 percent. To be fair, both Repubican (Trump) and Democratic Presidents (Clinton and Biden) have presided over 3.9 percent unemployment, about as low as it gets. But the labor participation rate is also a factor, because if people simply decide to not even look for work, it makes the unemployment rate look better. Right now a lot of people are retiring early or women staying home because of all the issues with children and schools.

Biden labor participation 61.7
Trump labor participation 63.1
Clinton labor participation 67.1

Does not look so great that so many people just want/need to stay at home. Those people are not considered “unemployed”, but seems like they actually kind of are.

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2022, 06:20:51 PM »
That economist thinks it may soon dip below 3 percent but that is only one economist’s guess. It is now up around 3.9 percent. To be fair, both Repubican (Trump) and Democratic Presidents (Clinton and Biden) have presided over 3.9 percent unemployment, about as low as it gets. The labor participation rate is a factor, because if people simply decide to not even look for work, it makes the unemployment rate look better. Right now a lot of people are retiring early or women staying home because of all the issues with children and schools.

Biden labor participation 61.7
Trump labor participation 63.1
Clinton labor participation

This it's not just people not looking its people who are just long term unemployed. They keep lowering the participation rate the actual unemployment rate is closer to 50% since 40% who are not working are somehow just magically removed from the equation. People are not just choosing the good life of food stamps and government benefits they really can't afford to go to work for minimum wage. When unemployment gets low the participation rate increases as increased wages and opportunities draw the so called non looking 40% back into the labor force. You can actually then get a rise in official unemployment statistics despite more people having jobs than ever. It also doesn't account for underemployed a mechanical engineer working stocking shelves at Walmart 30 hours a week with no benefits is considered employed.

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2022, 06:26:39 PM »
That economist thinks it may soon dip below 3 percent but that is only one economist’s guess. It is now up around 3.9 percent. To be fair, both Repubican (Trump) and Democratic Presidents (Clinton and Biden) have presided over 3.9 percent unemployment, about as low as it gets. But the labor participation rate is also a factor, because if people simply decide to not even look for work, it makes the unemployment rate look better. Right now a lot of people are retiring early or women staying home because of all the issues with children and schools.

Biden labor participation 61.7
Trump labor participation 63.1
Clinton labor participation 67.1

Does not look so great that so many people just want/need to stay at home. Those people are not considered “unemployed”, but seems like they actually kind of are.

The labor participation rate hasn't been this low since Carter was in office.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2022, 06:43:42 PM »
The labor participation rate hasn't been this low since Carter was in office.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Factors???
More early retirement than normal??
Women have no choice because no school for the kids??
Welfare too tempting??
Homelessness and dysfunctional people without skills or a worker mindset??
Jobs are shitty and not drawing people in??
Employers refuse to raise wages or offer full time rather than part time)??

I know that lots of people blame this political party versus that political party, but labor participation has been bad under both Trump and Biden. What is truly going on??

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2022, 07:00:57 PM »
Factors???
More early retirement than normal??
Women have no choice because no school for the kids??
Welfare too tempting??
Homelessness and dysfunctional people without skills or a worker mindset??
Jobs are shitty and not drawing people in??
Employers refuse to raise wages or offer full time rather than part time)??

I know that lots of people blame this political party versus that political party, but labor participation has been bad under both Trump and Biden. What is truly going on??


I realistically think it’s going to be too hard for the wage increases to match the inflation. It’s eventually going to be a bubble that bursts. 

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2022, 07:03:51 PM »
Factors???
More early retirement than normal??
Women have no choice because no school for the kids??
Welfare too tempting??
Homelessness and dysfunctional people without skills or a worker mindset??
Jobs are shitty and not drawing people in??
Employers refuse to raise wages or offer full time rather than part time)??

I know that lots of people blame this political party versus that political party, but labor participation has been bad under both Trump and Biden. What is truly going on??

All are factors.

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2022, 12:05:59 AM »
people are lazy twats

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2022, 02:17:01 PM »
Factors???
More early retirement than normal??
Women have no choice because no school for the kids??
Welfare too tempting??
Homelessness and dysfunctional people without skills or a worker mindset??
Jobs are shitty and not drawing people in??
Employers refuse to raise wages or offer full time rather than part time)??

I know that lots of people blame this political party versus that political party, but labor participation has been bad under both Trump and Biden. What is truly going on??


The biggest factor is the shift in demographics.

The boomers are the largest group of population who are in the retirement cycle which puts downward pressure on employment.

There will be other factors but ageing population along with a history of declining birth rates is the core trend which is decades long and has 10-20yrs to play out as boomer die off.

the movements up/down are the influence of monetary and fiscal policy which is the ‘noise’ but the CORE drive is demographic shift ;)

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2022, 02:26:32 PM »

The biggest factor is the shift in demographics.

The boomers are the largest group of population who are in the retirement cycle which puts downward pressure on employment.

There will be other factors but ageing population along with a history of declining birth rates is the core trend which is decades long and has 10-20yrs to play out as boomer die off.

the movements up/down are the influence of monetary and fiscal policy which is the ‘noise’ but the CORE drive is demographic shift ;)

Interesting, but I am not connecting the dots. What is exactly the cause/effect with this demographic shift?

I see a huge factor being the part time work syndrome. Most corporate executives try to minimize regular full time jobs with benefits, like were so plentiful in the old days. Much of the population rebels and says I would rather stay home, even if it means going on Medicaid, mooching off family, etc.

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2022, 03:44:01 PM »
Interesting, but I am not connecting the dots. What is exactly the cause/effect with this demographic shift?

I see a huge factor being the part time work syndrome. Most corporate executives try to minimize regular full time jobs with benefits, like were so plentiful in the old days. Much of the population rebels and says I would rather stay home, even if it means going on Medicaid, mooching off family, etc.

Cause: world war 2 ends, soldiers return home and people breed like rabbits to create the largest population burst in a short time span.

Effect: such a large group creates large impacts economically in a short time span.

Baby boomer era is 1946-1964 which gives an age range of 57-75. Retirement age let’s say is 65 which gives us another 8yrs until that generation has left the workforce.

There are 42M boomers left in working age of which approx 65% are in the participation rate. This means 27.3M people will be leaving jobs which open up for young people which is a bubbled number higher than what we would see on a flat trend. So we do get some extra capacity to absorb workers.

A good example is teachers. Teachers are generally old yeah? Stereotypical old person as a teacher in tv shows and movies. Ok so what are we suffering from now? A teacher shortage. This has come about because boomer teachers sat in their jobs for decades which caused a lack of job opportunities for young people wanting to be teachers. As a result, less young people trained to be teachers.

We then hit a time period with a consistent drain of teachers as they began to retire and take their pensions. With no young people trained, we find ourselves in a shortage and begin loading up the current young teachers who are getting the shits.

We entered a phase where boomers who had a stranglehold on industry jobs, retire and we have no trained people to take over which creates shortages and upward pressure on wages.

At the same time we have automation going at a fast past. In the immediate term we can absorb things but when mass layoffs begin from other areas, it provides labour for those places in shortage but people will require re-skilling.


Yes the child rebates and stuff play a part but that is policy to help consumer spending and sentiment, not for employment purposes. It just exacerbated the shortages of the demographic shift.


Hence QT and rate rises are ok. The Fed is looking at employment as the headroom to combat inflation. Most think rates won’t/can’t rise but if you use employment as your marker it’s easy to argue full employment is causing wage inflation pressure which makes your CPI worse……. Hence, they are ok to burn jobs in order to derisk wage inflation and prevent further CPI increases.

Does that make sense?

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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2022, 04:18:26 PM »
It a lot easier to have low unemployment numbers when a huge chunk of people that are considered to be "no longer looking for work" don't count.

Lies, half-truths, spin, and distortions.




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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2022, 05:54:42 PM »
It a lot easier to have low unemployment numbers when a huge chunk of people that are considered to be "no longer looking for work" don't count.

Lies, half-truths, spin, and distortions.
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Re: Reuters unemployment rate under 3% not seen since 1950s
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2022, 08:50:36 PM »
....and inflation will be mostly transitory.  lol.