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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2022, 09:18:29 AM »
"Anyone" can squat 700, it's all in the depth.

I think people also often will do a lift of X lbs on some leg machine and say they "squatted" X lbs.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2022, 10:05:36 AM »
I think people also often will do a lift of X lbs on some leg machine and say they "squatted" X lbs.

Do you think that's what Jay did?


He benched 500 on a Hammer Strength flat press and he leg presses 700 at 19?

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2022, 10:17:49 AM »
Do you think that's what Jay did?


He benched 500 on a Hammer Strength flat press and he leg presses 700 at 19?

I wouldn't be surprised if they were Smith machine numbers or similar. Jay in the magazine articles back then was known as a very middle of road strength guy. If it was a #500 standard bench, it would've been talked about quite a bit if he was only 19. It would've been a monster bench for the time and in bodybuilding circles for a 19 year old.

Eddie Robinson, who was only a few years older, was a #500 - 600 bencher at a similar age, and it was always a focal point in articles. Jay never had a peep about his strength back then.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2022, 10:27:45 AM »
https://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/13290-ifbb-pro-jay-cutler-s-best-lifts-for-all-bodyparts-muscular-development.html#.YiJYEejMJPY .

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Bench Presses

See, I didn't keep you in suspense waiting for this one! When I was 19 or 20 and training back at the Gold's Gym in Worcester, MA, the bench press was a very big deal. We had a few guys who put up 500 pounds or more on a regular basis. One of them was Frank McCullen, who only weighed 165 pounds! So I saw that and figured I had better be able to do at least that much, since I had a good 70 pounds on him. The best I ever did on the flat bench was 550 for 2 reps. These days, due to the fact that the risks far outweigh any possible benefits to my chest, you won't even catch me under a flat barbell bench press (only a Smith machine for that movement), and you certainly won't see me doing 2 reps of anything. Back then bodybuilding was not my career yet, so worrying about injuries rarely if ever even crossed my mind. Now, it's always at least in the back of my mind at every workout.

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Incline Barbell Presses

My best incline was 405 for 6-8 reps. Nothing spectacular, but it wasn't bad. This is an exercise I will still do, unlike the flat bench.

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Dumbbell Presses

I once pressed a pair of 200s for 2 reps during a photo shoot three days after I turned pro at the 1996 Nationals, at Club MET-Rx in Costa Mesa, CA. I probably wouldn't have even tried them except that Chris told me Greg Kovacs had just done them at his recent shoot. I pressed 160s to 180s all the time back in the late ‘90s.

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Squats

My legs were really strong when I was in my late teens, even though I hadn't been training very long. At 19 I remember squatting with close to 700 pounds for a couple reps, and the reps were always ass-to-the-floor. Back then my legs totally overpowered everything else. I used to squat 500 for 10 reps like it was nothing. Heavy squats have always made my lower back tighter than any other exercise.

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Front Squats

The most I ever did on front squats was 455 for 6-8 reps. That's one exercise I never maxed-out on, because I never saw the point. How often does anyone ever ask you how much you can front squat, anyway?

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Deadlifts

I've done six plates a side, or 585, off the floor for 3 reps. I did it back in 2005 at the Gold's Gym on Sahara and Decatur in Las Vegas. I still do deads. Nothing pumps my back up the way they do. I've also done my share of rack deadlifts, and the most I ever used was seven plates a side, 675 pounds, for a few reps— somewhere between 3-6. Forgive me if I don't always remember the exact number of reps I did.

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Overhead Barbell Presses

Back at the Gold's in Worcester in the early-to mid-1990s, behind-neck barbell presses were a very popular lift, and somehow everybody went up to 405 on it. Obviously that meant that the spotters were often doing a pretty heavy upright row! I recall being able to do a few good reps without much help at all. In 2006 and 2007, my main pressing movement for shoulders was the standing barbell press. I can say for sure that I did those reps on my own! I went up to 315 on standing presses. That's one exercise that involves a lot of technique. If you get away from it for a while and come back to it, you find you can't handle anywhere near as much weight.

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Seated Dumbbell Presses

I have done the 160s for 8-10 reps, but I don't feel the need to go quite that heavy anymore. I still go up to the 140s. And I should note that I will have someone put them on my legs, but I like to kick them up into the start position by myself. I just feel like I have better balance with them that way, as opposed to having them handed to me at shoulder level.

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Close-Grip Bench Presses

I have done 405 for sets of 8-10 in the past, but this is an exercise I kicked to the curb after finally realizing it was not a safe movement for me. So however much you use on your close-grips, it's more than a four-time Mr. Olympia.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2022, 10:32:09 AM »
The strongest teenage powerlifter we know of (Joseph Peña) squatted 1,005 pounds at the age of 18. Jay was no Joseph.



18 years old at that time, but looked like a Mexican man of 42 years of age with a family of 12.

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Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?

Is that kung fu stance a standard pose?  Are spotters not normally also big dudes?

I is confuze ???
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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2022, 10:45:25 AM »
Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?

Is that kung fu stance a standard pose?  Are spotters not normally also big dudes?

I is confuze ???

On a big squat like that, it would probably be a 3-5 man spotting team. Probably 5 most places (2 aside, 1 back). Their hands look a bit low, but its a normal look for a side spotter. On a big squat they're not looking to really save you, just take some of the weight off so you can rack it, or give you a few seconds to try and dump it safely.

Spotters can be dicey. Some guys bring there own guys, sometimes other known powerlifters volunteer to help. And sometimes they just grab whatever semi-athletic guys are willing to help out. Some promoters pay a small amount for spotters, other times it's pizza, beer, and maybe a free t shirt :).




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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2022, 10:51:06 AM »
Good point. And very likely this is what happened.

But am I the only one who finds it odd that the man who filmed his workouts and stripped down to a thong and waddled around the gym with his pants around his ankles NEVER attempted either of these lifts on video one time in his 15 years of recording his every action of his bodybuilding life?

back then i think camcorders were still expensive and unavailable

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2022, 10:55:21 AM »
Never really got into powerlifting much, so this is a genuine question - what the fuck are those twinks either end of the bar going to do if he needs help?

Is that kung fu stance a standard pose?  Are spotters not normally also big dudes?

I is confuze ???

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That's one of the better ways to spot a huge squat that you'll see, but you don't see it as often in certain meets because it kinda messes up video, photos, etc....

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2022, 10:58:31 AM »
back then i think camcorders were still expensive and unavailable

Good point.

So he only tried these heavy lifts at the beginning of his lifting career but never in any of his workout videos. Makes sense.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2022, 11:12:09 AM »
Yes makes a lot of sense that Jay got weaker after adding ~50 lbs of muscle.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2022, 11:41:58 AM »
On a big squat like that, it would probably be a 3-5 man spotting team. Probably 5 most places (2 aside, 1 back). Their hands look a bit low, but its a normal look for a side spotter. On a big squat they're not looking to really save you, just take some of the weight off so you can rack it, or give you a few seconds to try and dump it safely.

Spotters can be dicey. Some guys bring there own guys, sometimes other known powerlifters volunteer to help. And sometimes they just grab whatever semi-athletic guys are willing to help out. Some promoters pay a small amount for spotters, other times it's pizza, beer, and maybe a free t shirt :).

On a weight like that, you need to be in a cage with a way to catch the weight if he falls.

Those kids wouldn't do anything to help, other than stabilize the bar.

When i competed in power lifting i used to see a lot of failed squats. Once you get over 600 pounds you need to be in a cage. My first attempt at 600 pounds there was one guy behind me, they said if anything happen that i should just fall forward. ;D

One of my first meets was at a High School and they had teenagers spotting everyone. The strength coach was trying to teach the kids about lifting.

Saw a guy benching 350 pounds and he pressed it too far over his face, lost control and the bar came out of his hands. All 350 pounds landed straight on his collar bone area. Lucky it wasn't his neck.

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2022, 12:58:01 PM »
So Jay natural and 80 lbs lighter was far stronger than jay roided out of his mind as a man 10 years later, it makes complete sense

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2022, 04:29:22 PM »
Good point.

So he only tried these heavy lifts at the beginning of his lifting career but never in any of his workout videos. Makes sense.

Hey just saying that's why there's no video evidence  ;D

man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.

Remember those mouth guards he was pushing  :D

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2022, 05:07:25 PM »

man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.


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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2022, 05:27:17 PM »
Hey just saying that's why there's no video evidence  ;D

man I miss jay, he was so doofy and awkward, always made for great entertainment & content.

Remember those mouth guards he was pushing  :D

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Re: Jay Cutler Squatted 700 lbs and Benched 500 lbs at Age Nineteen
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2022, 07:16:20 PM »
Jay’s totally out to lunch.

Like a lot of gassed-to-oblivion bodybuilders, he isn’t a very knowledgeable weight trainer. 

He says his “legs were always very strong”. Huge squats are NOT a result of “strong legs”. Those of you who know what I’m talking about know what I’m talking about.

Cutler’s idea of depth is also completely fucked. In every instance I’ve seen video of him squatting, free or Smith, he was WAY above parallel.

And a 550 press for two? Hahahhahahahah