'81 Olympia

[illuminati]

The 81 Olympia was actually pretty good based on the pics. Aside from Franco 'winning' of course. But Everyone really brought the best conditioning to that show. If the crybabies i.e. Zane, Mentzer, Coe and whoever else would've entered that year it would've been one of the best O's ever. Each of the top 8 were in their all time best shape, including Tinnerrino, Wilkosz, and Johhny Fuller.

Everyone always talks about Danny and Tom in 81. But Roy Callender should've won. He was complete other than calves. He was in the same league in terms of conditioning as Tom and Danny, but larger than Danny and more balanced than Platz. In terms of leg size he's the only one who came close to Platz but had the upper body to match. No torn muscles and probably the best back next to Franco. Though Platz and Dickersons back's are somewhat underrated.

"Other than calves" Then he wasn't complete was he. 

That's not to say he didn't look extremely good, far better than DickUpHisArseSon &
Franco.

[Virgil]

Padilla should have won it, also he was unbelievably screwed over at the 75 Universe when the IFBB bumped him for Mike Katz

[joswift]

Danny wasnt allowed to compete at the 75 Olympia because they put in Waller and Katz in the heavyweights to make the story for Pumping Iron

This is one of the best interviews I have seen he tells a great story about it

[The Scott]

Danny wasnt allowed to compete at the 75 Olympia because they put in Waller and Katz in the heavyweights to make the story for Pumping Iron

This is one of the best interviews I have seen he tells a great story about it

Supposedly he was axed to put on some "schoolboy" outfit for IFBB Schmoes and refused.  Then Franco put it on.  I have no idea if that was true but given that the IFBB is the home of Schmoe 'n' Tell I wouldn't doubt it.  Weider was a weirdo.

Padilla was robbed but al least his dignity wasn't raped. 

[SAF]

I don't post here often -- just when I can see something I can contribute to meaningful.

I remember reading an article back when about what happened -- and it seemed pretty truthful. The gist was that Franco won because of "general high placing" throughout. In other words, where some competitors were marked inconsistently high and low, depending who they were and the round, Franco got consistently high marks. I don't know if he ever got a first (they might've used their points system back then), but let's say he got a bunch of seconds and thirds, no higher, no lower. When you add that up, compared to someone who might've gotten first, third, fifth, and whatever, they can come out the winner. And that *seems* to be what happened.

And why that might've happened I've seen often -- you have a bunch of flawed competitors, so first becomes very unclear. Furthermore, a lot of polarizing physiques. For example, Platz looked freaky amazing, but his upper and lower body didn't match. Yes, impressive, but really unbalanced. Let's face it -- his upper body was always weak, not just compared to his legs, but compared to other competitors. Someone mentioned Roy Callender -- great condition and size, but an ugly physique. I'd have trouble placing him high. Chris Dickerson and Danny Padilla are fantastic -- but quite short. Dickerson also has small arms and those pointy elbows, but incredible calves. The most flawless seemed to be Padilla -- but that's based on pictures. But based on those pictures, that's who I would've picked.

So when we look at the results, you see how it's basically a mess of very flawed physiques:

1 Franco Columbu
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Tom Platz
4 Roy Callender
5 Danny Padilla

DAS

[joswift]

I don't post here often -- just when I can see something I can contribute to meaningful.

I remember reading an article back when about what happened -- and it seemed pretty truthful. The gist was that Franco won because of "general high placing" throughout. In other words, where some competitors were marked inconsistently high and low, depending who they were and the round, Franco got consistently high marks. I don't know if he ever got a first (they might've used their points system back then), but let's say he got a bunch of seconds and thirds, no higher, no lower. When you add that up, compared to someone who might've gotten first, third, fifth, and whatever, they can come out the winner. And that *seems* to be what happened.

And why that might've happened I've seen often -- you have a bunch of flawed competitors, so first becomes very unclear. Furthermore, a lot of polarizing physiques. For example, Platz looked freaky amazing, but his upper and lower body didn't match. Yes, impressive, but really unbalanced. Let's face it -- his upper body was always weak, not just compared to his legs, but compared to others. Someone mentioned Roy Callender -- great condition and size, but an ugly physique. I'd have trouble placing him high. Chris Dickerson and Danny Padilla are fantastic -- but quite short. Dickerson also has small arms and those pointy elbows, but incredible calves. The most flawless seemed to be Padilla -- but that's based on pictures. But based on those pictures, that's who I would've picked.

So when we look at the results, you see how it's basically a messed of very flawed physiques:

1 Franco Columbu
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Tom Platz
4 Roy Callender
5 Danny Padilla

DAS

Hello Francos wife..

[SAF]

Since I'm well-versed in the Internet through my other business, I'm used to foolish comments. That said, I'm just relaying the facts as I knew them -- and then many years being involved in bodybuilding judging and also running organizations.

Like I said, based on pictures, Padilla was the clear winner to me. And I think some others, too.

But it's OK to believe what you want.

DAS

[AbrahamG]

I don't post here often -- just when I can see something I can contribute to meaningful.

I remember reading an article back when about what happened -- and it seemed pretty truthful. The gist was that Franco won because of "general high placing" throughout. In other words, where some competitors were marked inconsistently high and low, depending who they were and the round, Franco got consistently high marks. I don't know if he ever got a first (they might've used their points system back then), but let's say he got a bunch of seconds and thirds, no higher, no lower. When you add that up, compared to someone who might've gotten first, third, fifth, and whatever, they can come out the winner. And that *seems* to be what happened.

And why that might've happened I've seen often -- you have a bunch of flawed competitors, so first becomes very unclear. Furthermore, a lot of polarizing physiques. For example, Platz looked freaky amazing, but his upper and lower body didn't match. Yes, impressive, but really unbalanced. Let's face it -- his upper body was always weak, not just compared to his legs, but compared to other competitors. Someone mentioned Roy Callender -- great condition and size, but an ugly physique. I'd have trouble placing him high. Chris Dickerson and Danny Padilla are fantastic -- but quite short. Dickerson also has small arms and those pointy elbows, but incredible calves. The most flawless seemed to be Padilla -- but that's based on pictures. But based on those pictures, that's who I would've picked.

So when we look at the results, you see how it's basically a mess of very flawed physiques:

1 Franco Columbu
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Tom Platz
4 Roy Callender
5 Danny Padilla

DAS

Do you suck dicks?  Are you a peter puffer?  I'll bet you're the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamned common courtesy to give him a reach around.

[Humble Narcissist]

The 81 Olympia was actually pretty good based on the pics. Aside from Franco 'winning' of course. But Everyone really brought the best conditioning to that show. If the crybabies i.e. Zane, Mentzer, Coe and whoever else would've entered that year it would've been one of the best O's ever. Each of the top 8 were in their all time best shape, including Tinnerrino, Wilkosz, and Johhny Fuller.

Everyone always talks about Danny and Tom in 81. But Roy Callender should've won. He was complete other than calves. He was in the same league in terms of conditioning as Tom and Danny, but larger than Danny and more balanced than Platz. In terms of leg size he's the only one who came close to Platz but had the upper body to match. No torn muscles and probably the best back next to Franco. Though Platz and Dickersons back's are somewhat underrated.

Mr. 21 sets of 21 reps.

[galain]

I've always thought Padilla was the rightful winner of this contest but I could see why people prefer Platz or Calllender. Any of these three would have been a worthy first place.

Having said that, someone posted a video of this show a few years back and Franco looked a lot better than he does in the photos. Not better enough to be the winner, but it's interesting how improved he looked on film compared to a static picture.

[beakdoctor]

Mr. 21 sets of 21 reps.

That was Johnny Fuller and I believe it was 32 sets of 32 reps.

John Hansen did an interview with Roy a year or two ago and asked him about his training sessions.  Word was that Roy would spend 8 hrs a day working out. (Or some outrageous number of hours) Roy said he'd get to the gym and work out for an hour or two max then bullshit with other bodybuilders,  then train clients, leave, eat then comeback and maybe do cardio....anyway point is as photographers from magazines would come and go they just thought he was there all day long training jours on end. Roy said the notion of training that long was absurd. It was a hood interview. Talks a lot about Arnold, both good and bad, Zane etc... very entertaining interview overall.

[Humble Narcissist]

That was Johnny Fuller and I believe it was 32 sets of 32 reps.

John Hansen did an interview with Roy a year or two ago and asked him about his training sessions.  Word was that Roy would spend 8 hrs a day working out. (Or some outrageous number of hours) Roy said he'd get to the gym and work out for an hour or two max then bullshit with other bodybuilders,  then train clients, leave, eat then comeback and maybe do cardio....anyway point is as photographers from magazines would come and go they just thought he was there all day long training jours on end. Roy said the notion of training that long was absurd. It was a hood interview. Talks a lot about Arnold, both good and bad, Zane etc... very entertaining interview overall.

Johnny Fuller, that's right.

[joswift]

That was Johnny Fuller and I believe it was 32 sets of 32 reps.

John Hansen did an interview with Roy a year or two ago and asked him about his training sessions.  Word was that Roy would spend 8 hrs a day working out. (Or some outrageous number of hours) Roy said he'd get to the gym and work out for an hour or two max then bullshit with other bodybuilders,  then train clients, leave, eat then comeback and maybe do cardio....anyway point is as photographers from magazines would come and go they just thought he was there all day long training jours on end. Roy said the notion of training that long was absurd. It was a hood interview. Talks a lot about Arnold, both good and bad, Zane etc... very entertaining interview overall.

25 sets at least were totally pointless

[Humble Narcissist]

25 sets at least were totally pointless

Most were also probably imaginary.