Covid Lab Leak Theory

[illuminati]

Thanks for doing this. I have now read it did a little research on Dr. Steven Quay.

Dr. Quay has been a prominent advocate for the SARS-CoV-2 lab-leak hypothesis, since 2020, about year after the first known case.

Dr. Quay’s conclusions are highly controversial and largely rejected by mainstream evolutionary virologists.

Dr. Quay is not a professional virologist.

Most established evolutionary biologists and virologists dispute his findings.

Steven Quay said in his opening remarks to members of the subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis, “In natural zoonoses the animal is in nature, a cave, a farm, or a market. The infected human comes in contact with that animal.
 
For lab-acquired zoonoses the animal is in a laboratory, or in cells from an animal in a petri dish and the human works in the lab.”  So, in effect he is acknowledging zoonoses, just not that it also it could have happened outside the lab.

That the earliest known patients were infected with the "earliest virus" is debatable. Peer-reviewed genomic studies imply that the earliest known cases started from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.

Most likely where and how the virus started is neither absolutely provable. However, the first cases were confirmed to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 which is the coronavirus strain which causes the infectious disease COVID-19 responsible for the global pandemic.

I will say that in my opinion, after reading Dr. Quay’s testimony to the subcommittee, some of what he reported is fairly compelling. Not that my opinion is worth much since I am not an expert on COVID, how, or where it started.

There was no Pandemic If the MSM & Governments had'nt all conspired to
saturate 24/7 with scare stories etc & said Fuck all I highly doubt any one
would've been any the wiser & it would just of been all Flu related.
The role of MSM & Government cannot be overstated,

I travelled a lot during the Lockdowns  and hardly ever saw an ambulance
rushing dead or dying patients to empty hospitals.
Complete & utter Scam.

Remember

Build Back Better & what was all that crap about.

[Donny]

It was the Russians

[chaos]

Tracing the origin of the virus to an area that contains a lab that researches said virus impacts mine.

Also the fact that they've never found an animal/human link with the shared virus. It's naive to believe that the Chinese government is being honest or forthcoming with their info. It also amazes me how many "scientists" put their faith in the honesty of any government agency. LOL

[Grape Ape]

Also the fact that they've never found an animal/human link with the shared virus. It's naive to believe that the Chinese government is being honest or forthcoming with their info. It also amazes me how many "scientists" put their faith in the honesty of any government agency. LOL

It's like Van believing everything Iran says.

[Primemuscle]

Listening to the takes of virologists and epidemiologists had a big impact on my own opinion.

I take it then that their impact on your opinion was/is usually negative and that you often disagree with the majority of virologists and epidemiologists about how and where COVID originated, etc.

[deadz]

Covid came from a lab, pure stupidity to believe otherwise.

[Dos Equis]

Tracing the origin of the virus to an area that contains a lab that researches said virus impacts mine.

Mine too.  And the fact China developed a "vaccine" so quickly.  The disappearance of the guy who developed the vaccine.  The lack of safety protocols at the lab.  China's refusal to cooperate with investigations.  The lack of animal hosts with the virus, etc.

[Dos Equis]

I take it then that their impact on your opinion was/is usually negative and that you often disagree with the majority of virologists and epidemiologists about how and where COVID originated, etc.

Nope.  See my prior comments about "consensus" as it relates to this virus.

[jude2]

Covid came from a lab, pure stupidity to believe otherwise.

We have a lot of stupid people in this World.

[Dos Equis]

Rand Paul
@RandPaul

The scientists who wrote the "lab leak is a conspiracy theory" letter? They organized it themselves then told each other they needed "the appearance of independence."

Both were paid intel informants. Both worked with the Wuhan lab.

One scientist called it genetically engineered. Days later he wrote the opposite. Then got a $9 million grant.

No conspiracy required. Just people covering their own tracks.

https://x.com/RandPaul/status/2059274230596784478

[Necrosis]

I didn't make any arguments.  And, unsurprisingly, you don't understand the point about the jump from animals to humans.  It's not that the jump doesn't happen.  It's that it takes numerous iterations of this jump before it becomes lethal.  Covid skipped that process.  I learned that by listening to epidemiologists.  They know their stuff.  You don't. 

I don't expect you to understand the HIV info.  Were you even alive during that period?  Do you know what Fauci was telling the public?  These are rhetorical questions, because you repeatedly demonstrate that what you know about subjects being discussed here can fit in a thimble.   

Ok tough guy.

You are saying patently false things and I lack understanding? have you even ever done a course in virology or microbiology? pathology? I doubt it

There are many viruses that made the jump that were way more lethal, what are you talking about? It depends on the mutation, the evolutionary gap etc.

It's hard to argue this with someone without any education in the field who also doesn't believe in evolution, lol.

Even if I grant you your argument, which is not correct... so what. Novel stuff happens all the time, it's not evidence of a conspiracy. Welcome to evolution where adaptations create new outcomes. Shit even exaptation could account for numerous facts.

You are a layman, using conspiracy theories and half-baked facts to prove your point, it's shameless.

Of course the consensus is wrong to you, global warming is also a farce, evolution as well. You love taking the contrarian position because you simply don't want to believe or can't. Do you see a pattern here? Your whole project is pure confirmation bias.

[Necrosis]

Mine too.  And the fact China developed a "vaccine" so quickly.  The disappearance of the guy who developed the vaccine.  The lack of safety protocols at the lab.  China's refusal to cooperate with investigations.  The lack of animal hosts with the virus, etc.

smoking gun stuff! couldn't be any other possible explanations here. This fact pattern is solid as granite.

The developed a vaccine fast! has to be
lack of safety protocols- has to be malicious, who would of heard of quality control issues in china???
China not allowing investigations- never seen that before!
The lack of animal hosts? lolololol. where do you come up with this shit?

[chaos]

Rand Paul
@RandPaul

The scientists who wrote the "lab leak is a conspiracy theory" letter? They organized it themselves then told each other they needed "the appearance of independence."

Both were paid intel informants. Both worked with the Wuhan lab.

One scientist called it genetically engineered. Days later he wrote the opposite. Then got a $9 million grant.

No conspiracy required. Just people covering their own tracks.

https://x.com/RandPaul/status/2059274230596784478

People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.

[Necrosis]

People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.

Do you think you are immune? its the same shit on the other side dude. Clearly. That's why I don't get my science from politics of news. I go to the actual studies, experts etc. if there is a political slant its garbage.

It's not like this in canada, the US has politicized everything!

[AbrahamG]

It's like Van believing everything Iran says.

That's rich. 

[Dos Equis]

People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.

They really do have an inability to think for themselves.

[Necrosis]

They really do have an inability to think for themselves.

You can think for yourself on topics that require 12 plus years of education?

What are your thoughts on the EPR paradox? any thoughts on autocatalytic theory and abiogenesis?

The arrogance is nutty. You guys think that the other side is completely biased, buying into whatever the party are selling but you are immune? All you need is once piece of evidence to show that that's not the case.

Take A. Garcia's case, clear bullshit, yet you guys were claiming he was human trafficker, should be deported etc.. Meanwhile it was all lies and anyone who could think for themselves could see it was vindictive and unjust- which is what the judge found - it was one car stop in 2022 lol

But ya, you guys have the ability to spot a lie involving complex immunology and virology. Makes perfect fucking sense. You claim to think for yourself but you can't at all. One day you might wake up. Following a book written thousands of years ago and the  "truth" is the epitome of that and it's infected your whole being.

Kant would say that you are still in the immature phase of life, lacking the ability to think for oneself truly. You follow a religion, you follow a party, you follow a person in Trump.....

Too bad you couldn't engage in real discussion.

[chaos]

They really do have an inability to think for themselves.

It's a desperation to fit in and be accepted by other manipulated and weak minded people. A big group think experiment by the government and leftist media. Sad to watch sometimes.

[Necrosis]

It's a desperation to fit in and be accepted by other manipulated and weak minded people. A big group think experiment by the government and leftist media. Sad to watch sometimes.

As you talk to the person who exclusively shares your ideas and positions LOL.

The irony is lost on you I know but it's a chef's kiss.

I find echo chambers the best place to bounce ideas around.