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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2026, 10:10:53 AM »
Too bad it seems a shitty film was made where a great one could be.

I’ll pass on this one..


Popular consensus is that it’s a good movie.  What makes you think it was a shitty movie ???

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Re: Never forget the Odyssey: New Helen of Troy
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2026, 10:46:04 AM »
Some Odysset for y'all :D



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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2026, 11:12:25 AM »
The fact that every movie maker hopes to make an epic movie and in maybe 99% of cases the end result isn't an epic movie should tell you something.

Even Nolans strike rate is well below 25%

It the same as if Peter Jackson said he was going to make God of War, Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy, etc.....I would go in hoping/expecting something epic.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Nolan+The Odyssey to be epic.

Either way, it's all subjective.
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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2026, 11:25:20 AM »
It the same as if Peter Jackson said he was going to make God of War, Joe Abercrombie's First Law trilogy, etc.....I would go in hoping/expecting something epic.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Nolan+The Odyssey to be epic.

Either way, it's all subjective.

Epic movie think "Laurence Of Arabia"

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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2026, 01:10:44 PM »
Epic movie think "Laurence Of Arabia"

had too much sand

However, back to The Odyssey, I was unaware Nolan did not use CGI, so that changes my perspective on some things and how they appeared.  Pretty amazing from that context.
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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2026, 04:35:25 AM »
What about Korean Will Yun Lee as a Greek warrior? :D

It's just very fucking sunny on the Mediterranean, alright?

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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2026, 04:46:14 AM »

Popular consensus is that it’s a good movie. What makes you think it was a shitty movie ???

Casting.

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2026, 05:19:47 AM »
Putting Travis Scott in this movie was certainly... a decision  ??? ::)

The Indian guy ended up with the most screen time out of the diversity casting, and to be fair, he actually did a solid job.
He/she Ellen page and Zendaya are basically glorified cameos.
Tom Holland is a total wimp
Robert Pattinson gets a handful of lines and nothing else to do.
Charlize Theron is excellent, but criminally underused.
Anne Hathaway reminds everyone of her acting skills
Jon Bernthal once again gets wasted in a role that barely lets him do anything.
John Leguizamo absolutely steals every scene he's in. Every time he shows up, the movie feels noticeably better.

Matt Damon is... fine. He gets the job done, but I couldn't shake the feeling someone else could've elevated the role.

My biggest issue isn't even the casting—it's the performances. For a story that's supposed to feel grand, mythic, and larger than life, almost everyone acts like they're trying not to wake the neighbors.
The entire cast feels oddly restrained and low-energy. Hathaway, Pattinson, and Leguizamo are the only ones who consistently bring some life to the screen. Everyone else—including Damon—feels like they're operating at about 60%.

Then there's Nolan's trademark time-hopping. The constant jumps backward and forward in the narrative eventually become more distracting than clever.
The sound mixing is classic Nolan too.... the music bulldozes over the dialogue half the time.

And don't even get me started on the dialogue itself....The English sounds far too modern, stripped of any sense of the period. It constantly pulls you out of the world.
But then again, Nolan takes liberties with just about everything here—the characters, the ships, the creatures, and the mythology—so I suppose the dialogue fits right in.

It's Visually impressive and packed with talent, but the performances never match the scale of the story.

6.5/10.

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2026, 06:14:26 AM »
Epic movie think "Laurence Of Arabia" the original "Road House".

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2026, 06:15:06 AM »
Putting Travis Scott in this movie was certainly... a decision  ??? ::)

The Indian guy ended up with the most screen time out of the diversity casting, and to be fair, he actually did a solid job.
He/she Ellen page and Zendaya are basically glorified cameos.
Tom Holland is a total wimp
Robert Pattinson gets a handful of lines and nothing else to do.
Charlize Theron is excellent, but criminally underused.
Anne Hathaway reminds everyone of her acting skills
Jon Bernthal once again gets wasted in a role that barely lets him do anything.
John Leguizamo absolutely steals every scene he's in. Every time he shows up, the movie feels noticeably better.

Matt Damon is... fine. He gets the job done, but I couldn't shake the feeling someone else could've elevated the role.

My biggest issue isn't even the casting—it's the performances. For a story that's supposed to feel grand, mythic, and larger than life, almost everyone acts like they're trying not to wake the neighbors.
The entire cast feels oddly restrained and low-energy. Hathaway, Pattinson, and Leguizamo are the only ones who consistently bring some life to the screen. Everyone else—including Damon—feels like they're operating at about 60%.

Then there's Nolan's trademark time-hopping. The constant jumps backward and forward in the narrative eventually become more distracting than clever.
The sound mixing is classic Nolan too.... the music bulldozes over the dialogue half the time.

And don't even get me started on the dialogue itself....The English sounds far too modern, stripped of any sense of the period. It constantly pulls you out of the world.
But then again, Nolan takes liberties with just about everything here—the characters, the ships, the creatures, and the mythology—so I suppose the dialogue fits right in.

It's Visually impressive and packed with talent, but the performances never match the scale of the story.

6.5/10.

Pretty much spot on how I feel outside of maybe overstating Theron's performance, but that's nitpicking.
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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2026, 06:22:47 AM »
I find it funny some of you actually wasted your money going to see this movie.


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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2026, 06:34:24 AM »
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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2026, 06:58:14 AM »
I find it funny some of you actually wasted your money going to see this movie.


They would have to pay me $100 to waste my time.

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2026, 07:47:48 AM »
Dont call HER racist, its NOLAN!!!

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2026, 10:47:17 AM »
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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2026, 11:32:16 AM »


Elliot would want the Biden role.

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2026, 10:21:25 PM »
I saw it and didn't really like it.  6.5-7/10.  Woke was the least of its problems.  Waay too long losing my interest in many places.  Emotionally flat.  Wasted big name actors.  Disjointed narrative presented in a flashbacky vignette structure that just didn't work because it keeps taking away from the overall narrative.  Everything happening back home in Ithaca is boring with weak characters.

Not one of Nolan's best.  Lots of pretty, "big" scenes, but it just felt like a mailed-in hype cash grab. It's not something I want to watch again when it comes on cable and I think it'll be forgotten in a year.

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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #92 on: July 24, 2026, 10:36:45 PM »
Has any well known epic ancient Greek literature as source material ever resulted in an epic movie? Gladiator doesn't count as the source material wasn't well known and it was modern writing.

Movies based on ancient Greek literature are nearly always trash. Only a handful you could call solid, and this is one of them.

This was about on the same level as Nolans most recent movies. None of those were epic either.

The original Clash of the Titans was actually better.  Due respect to Ape, but Pattison sucked (and he seemed to be dressed in a Game of Thrones costume for some reason), as did Spiderman, who they made a pussy (despite his having every resason not to be as the son of Odysseus and having all these great mentors and training with weapons).

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Re: New Helen of Troy in Nolans "Odyssey"
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2026, 01:51:54 AM »
The original Clash of the Titans was actually better.  Due respect to Ape, but Pattison sucked (and he seemed to be dressed in a Game of Thrones costume for some reason), as did Spiderman, who they made a pussy (despite his having every resason not to be as the son of Odysseus and having all these great mentors and training with weapons).

Clash of the Titans, Troy, 300 and Odyssey were all solid (all with huge issues too) Other than those you have to go back 50+ years to movies like Spartacus

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2026, 05:32:34 AM »
I saw it and didn't really like it.  6.5-7/10.  Woke was the least of its problems.  Waay too long losing my interest in many places.  Emotionally flat.  Wasted big name actors.  Disjointed narrative presented in a flashbacky vignette structure that just didn't work because it keeps taking away from the overall narrative.  Everything happening back home in Ithaca is boring with weak characters.

Not one of Nolan's best.  Lots of pretty, "big" scenes, but it just felt like a mailed-in hype cash grab. It's not something I want to watch again when it comes on cable and I think it'll be forgotten in a year.

Troy by Wolfgang is still remembered and watched many years after, and even The Thang and Escape from New York (that had a lot less budget than Nolans Odyssey) will never be forgotten!
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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2026, 07:00:16 AM »
Elliot would want the Biden role.
Whoppi would be a better looking Michelle.

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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2026, 07:04:05 AM »
And I entirely forgot about this, which is far far far better telling of the Odyssey


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Re: Never forget The Odyssey - New Helen of Troy at 70 still competing
« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2026, 04:31:00 PM »
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