The truth about Zyzz death is out!

[Van_Bilderass]

Whenever Zyzz comes up it's always about the ungodly amount of drugs he supposedly did. I guarantee you he wasn't on even a fraction of the amount that your favorite fitness influencer uses nowadays.

[LurkerNoMore]

Agonal Breathing. Once you hear it, you don't forget it.
 
 On the Zyzz thing, there's a recent anti-looksmaxxing documentary called "Poster Boy, Becoming Zyzz" -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poster_Boy:_Becoming_Zyzz .

In it, the Thais supposedly snitch him out on all the drug use and surgical work he was having done. Also, he wasn't making tons of money despite his fame, His biggest months before he died were in the $7000 - 8000 range.

To be fair the landscape of social influencing was not what it is today.  Would be interesting to see how he did if it were.  Maybe someone can adjust for inflation and the boom aspect of that field exploding.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Been dead for over a decade and he was nothing more than a twink with muscles and eyeshadoe

[Humble Narcissist]

Been dead for over a decade and he was nothing more than a twink with muscles and eyeshadoe

Has it been that long? Time flies.

[Brenda Steunbeer]

To be fair the landscape of social influencing was not what it is today.  Would be interesting to see how he did if it were.  Maybe someone can adjust for inflation and the boom aspect of that field exploding.

Whatsapp, tiktok, instagram, linkedin, twitter / X, did not exist at the time or were very small. Same for FB and YT, both have grown immensely and so have the incomes of succesful influencers

[LurkerNoMore]

Whatsapp, tiktok, instagram, linkedin, twitter / X, did not exist at the time or were very small. Same for FB and YT, both have grown immensely and so have the incomes of succesful influencers

Exactly.  He could have been a top earner if he was still around.

[Van_Bilderass]

Exactly.  He could have been a top earner if he was still around.

There would have been a lot more competition however. Might be totally drowned out, but I don't know how to evaluate and compare his looks exactly. What do you think?

But on the drug aspect I can evaluate, he was lean but not GH lean

And as mentioned he didn't really have muscle so he was on tiny tit dosages.

[gib]

Saw in interview with his younger. Bro turned his face into a literal clown.

[LurkerNoMore]

There would have been a lot more competition however. Might be totally drowned out, but I don't know how to evaluate and compare his looks exactly. What do you think?

But on the drug aspect I can evaluate, he was lean but not GH lean

And as mentioned he didn't really have muscle so he was on tiny tit dosages.

Look wise, he appears better than some of these influencers that are out there.  From a realistic goal.  To be fair, I am unfamiliar with the top influencers around for crap like this.  The only two I follow is Ross Dickerson who I know IRL and another one that is more kitchen/recipe based.  The rest like whoever that "19 year old natty" is that looks like a whale on legs wrapped in a bed sheet, or the two munchkin Tren Boys or whatever they are called, or that crap type only show up on my reels occasionally.  I will watch Jay's reels sometimes if sitting around doom scrolling.

I think Zyzz was on huge doses, he just didn't appear to be muscular because he didn't eat enough.  All those party drugs probably killed his appetite.

[Van_Bilderass]

Look wise, he appears better than some of these influencers that are out there.  From a realistic goal.  To be fair, I am unfamiliar with the top influencers around for crap like this.  The only two I follow is Ross Dickerson who I know IRL and another one that is more kitchen/recipe based.  The rest like whoever that "19 year old natty" is that looks like a whale on legs wrapped in a bed sheet, or the two munchkin Tren Boys or whatever they are called, or that crap type only show up on my reels occasionally.  I will watch Jay's reels sometimes if sitting around doom scrolling.

I think Zyzz was on huge doses, he just didn't appear to be muscular because he didn't eat enough.  All those party drugs probably killed his appetite.

Curious about what you would consider huge doses? Nowadays there is a veritable smorgasbord of drugs, absolutely everything and anything you could ever want. Zyzz was in Australia, tough customs, and China wasn't producing quality gear like today, you had that shit IP gear in shampoo bottles and loose pills on tape in a letter. I remember IP's list said, "heat oil on spoon" and "crash tablets in mouth"

I don't follow or look at all the influencers and fitness profiles but they come up on my feeds and I see there are a lot of "aesthetic gods" LOL. Lots of kids decide to try for Instagram fame so you have a larger pool nowadays and more kids with god-tier genetics. One term I picked up is "frame mogging" as in wide shoulders and small waist

[LurkerNoMore]

Curious about what you would consider huge doses? Nowadays there is a veritable smorgasbord of drugs, absolutely everything and anything you could ever want. Zyzz was in Australia, tough customs, and China wasn't producing quality gear like today, you had that shit IP gear in shampoo bottles and loose pills on tape in a letter. I remember IP's list said, "heat oil on spoon" and "crash tablets in mouth"

I don't follow or look at all the influencers and fitness profiles but they come up on my feeds and I see there are a lot of "aesthetic gods" LOL. Lots of kids decide to try for Instagram fame so you have a larger pool nowadays and more kids with god-tier genetics. One term I picked up is "frame mogging" as in wide shoulders and small waist

I would say anything over 3 grams a week is huge for people that are doing little else to encourage muscle growth like eating decently or recovering.  I can only assume those party drugs killed his appetite and wrecked his CNS system.  Plus the diuretics combined with the sauna was not a bright choice.

Yeah... the old IP was a hoot.  I remember him telling one EF mod that he was going to send a giant black dildo with his name on it to where it worked addressed to his boss.  He is like the OG of the swap shop versions of roids.  Didn't give a fuck and his secret list of recs read like the dictionary.  Back then all the old sources were going wild.  Even Alin before he went legit was selling GHB by the gallon.

[Van_Bilderass]

I would say anything over 3 grams a week is huge for people that are doing little else to encourage muscle growth like eating decently or recovering.  I can only assume those party drugs killed his appetite and wrecked his CNS system.  Plus the diuretics combined with the sauna was not a bright choice.

Yeah... the old IP was a hoot.  I remember him telling one EF mod that he was going to send a giant black dildo with his name on it to where it worked addressed to his boss.  He is like the OG of the swap shop versions of roids.  Didn't give a fuck and his secret list of recs read like the dictionary.  Back then all the old sources were going wild.  Even Alin before he went legit was selling GHB by the gallon.

Haha I never used IP or Alin myself, didn't get gear off the net except 2-3 times from the UK, I think once I got 5 grams of powder from Moldova or some shit, also mailed as a letter, saw a dude advertising on the Avant Labs forums, I was always afraid of legal problems. My brother who rarely even lifted LOL ordered some tabs from IP and they were shipped from Pakistan and were pressed onto a sheet of tape and mailed as a letter. I took a few tabs, I had 20 of his Anadrols and put on 22lbs on those without even lifting. I had taken a break and figured I'd take those before to prime the body LOL. I didn't know he sold recs too. I read that he was an Iranian in China

Holy shit, 3 grams is a ton! You really think Zyzz would have done that? I know from experience I couldn't even lift on that because I felt so shitty LOL. I would have needed benzos to sleep and uppers to lift decently. I agree that you need to eat. Zyzz needed to stay lean so these pretty boys were just afraid to eat as well.

[LurkerNoMore]

Haha I never used IP or Alin myself, didn't get gear off the net except 2-3 times from the UK, I think once I got 5 grams of powder from Moldova or some shit, also mailed as a letter, saw a dude advertising on the Avant Labs forums, I was always afraid of legal problems. My brother who rarely even lifted LOL ordered some tabs from IP and they were shipped from Pakistan and were pressed onto a sheet of tape and mailed as a letter. I took a few tabs, I had 20 of his Anadrols and put on 22lbs on those without even lifting. I had taken a break and figured I'd take those before to prime the body LOL. I didn't know he sold recs too. I read that he was an Iranian in China

Holy shit, 3 grams is a ton! You really think Zyzz would have done that? I know from experience I couldn't even lift on that because I felt so shitty LOL. I would have needed benzos to sleep and uppers to lift decently. I agree that you need to eat. Zyzz needed to stay lean so these pretty boys were just afraid to eat as well.

I remember old timers talking about a source that pressed his anabolics into paper form.  Claimed a lot of men in prison was getting "letters" from their gfs and it was this new stuff.  They tore pieces off and ate it.  When you think about it, back then in those times that was pretty revolutionary.  Wonder why it didn't stick around?

But yeah, IP and Alin had some pretty lengthy recs lists.  I have told the story in the past of one source here in FL over in the Tampa area that went by "Elephant" online.  He was one of the first to start putting gear in 30mls bottles.  He had a secret list as well.  He was ordering all kinds of recs from Alin and making liquid form.  But he fucked up a batch of Xanax and had an extra "0" in the end result.  Instead of it being 1mg per ml, it was 10ml.  Had a lot of dudes going into ER over that and people looking for him.  He shut down, packed up, and left town.

[Lartinos]

I remember one guy selling them as “Paper-Bolics”

[Van_Bilderass]

I remember old timers talking about a source that pressed his anabolics into paper form.  Claimed a lot of men in prison was getting "letters" from their gfs and it was this new stuff.  They tore pieces off and ate it.  When you think about it, back then in those times that was pretty revolutionary.  Wonder why it didn't stick around?

Yeah liquid steroid solution on blotter paper. Like LSD. DEA was involved and he was extradited from Thailand I think. Serious business these paper anabolics
I don't know how they got them into prisons, you'd see it was no ordinary paper if letter was opened by staff. Never saw them myself, I was all in on Russian Akrihin Dbol, enough for me.

Have to be careful with any low dose black market products like clen, thyroid. I think that Czech steroid testing guy Janoshik said he analyzed one batch of clen that was 2mg per tab, 2000 times the supposed amount. Probably wouldn't be deadly in most cases as .6mg has been trialed in heart failure patients but very uncomfortable for sure and may push someone over the limit. A 10mg Xanax is no big deal from an overdose standpoint but you still don't want that, might be bad if doing risky things, like operating machinery.

[LurkerNoMore]

Yeah liquid steroid solution on blotter paper. Like LSD. DEA was involved and he was extradited from Thailand I think. Serious business these paper anabolics
I don't know how they got them into prisons, you'd see it was no ordinary paper if letter was opened by staff. Never saw them myself, I was all in on Russian Akrihin Dbol, enough for me.

Have to be careful with any low dose black market products like clen, thyroid. I think that Czech steroid testing guy Janoshik said he analyzed one batch of clen that was 2mg per tab, 2000 times the supposed amount. Probably wouldn't be deadly in most cases as .6mg has been trialed in heart failure patients but very uncomfortable for sure and may push someone over the limit. A 10mg Xanax is no big deal from an overdose standpoint but you still don't want that, might be bad if doing risky things, like operating machinery.

Ok, I found it.  His name was Redicat.  From AI :


What Happened to Redicat

Redicat's operation largely vanished from the underground market after his proprietary method was exposed and compromised.
He shared his exact preparation methods and provided physical product samples to a couple of prominent underground steroid authors. However, those authors quickly turned around and published high-resolution photographs of Redicat’s paper anabolics, alongside step-by-step instructions on how to manufacture them.

The Aftermath of the Exposure

• Market Flooding: Once the instructions became public, the novelty of Redicat's operation was ruined. Numerous moderators from various bodybuilding forums began replicating his technique to create their own inferior, generic brands of paper steroids.
• Increased Scrutiny: Because the method was openly detailed in underground literature, law enforcement and customs agencies quickly learned what to look for, effectively killing the stealth advantage that made paper-infused steroids viable in the first place.



Yeah, 10mg of xanax might be ok, but remember some people were used to 5mg.  So when they were drawing up what they thought was 5mg, it was really 50mg.  They didn't have many happy times.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah, 10mg of xanax might be ok, but remember some people were used to 5mg.  So when they were drawing up what they thought was 5mg, it was really 50mg.  They didn't have many happy times.

True, would be very bad, and especially if combined with other depressants like opiates or alcohol. Very serene and content at first, then the Big Sleep.

How Likely Is Xanax Overdose?

It would be difficult to overdose on Xanax resulting in death, as a person would need to take hundreds or thousands of times more Xanax than the maximum prescribed dose. It is, however, possible to overdose when Xanax is combined with other substances. According to the FDA, fatalities have occurred in those who combined benzodiazepines and alcohol.

Friends have done some extremely stupid things on these drugs, often in combination with alcohol, of which they have no recollection the day after. The biggest risk is it making you an idiot, sometimes to the point of committing felonies. Ambien isn't a benzo but acts like one, that is the worst. It's so bad they stopped administering it at hospitals here due to bizarre behavior. Seems like it's the standard sleep med in the U.S. military. Delta Force John McPhee said he took it to sleep and then was at the strip club partying later.

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