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GH Gut?
« on: May 22, 2006, 07:02:29 PM »
Can anyone on here actually attest that GH causes some of the guts we see on the pro stage?

I think maybe I am beating a dead horse saying I believe it is insulin resistance these guys are developing and accumulating fat behind the abdominal wall instead.

I know I don't yet have 100 posts, but the frequency with which I read "GH gut" is quite high and there has yet to be any kind of study/data presentation to back this up.

I know GH can cause that neanderthal look with the enlarged cranium and hands and feet and so forth. However I haven't see anything where there are receptors for this peptide hormone on internal organs like intestines.

I'll try to not bring this up again if nobody responds. I will assume it is a moot point to figure out. However, maybe someone can set the record straight.


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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2006, 07:04:10 PM »
Can anyone on here actually attest that GH causes some of the guts we see on the pro stage?

I think maybe I am beating a dead horse saying I believe it is insulin resistance these guys are developing and accumulating fat behind the abdominal wall instead.

I know I don't yet have 100 posts, but the frequency with which I read "GH gut" is quite high and there has yet to be any kind of study/data presentation to back this up.

I know GH can cause that neanderthal look with the enlarged cranium and hands and feet and so forth. However I haven't see anything where there are receptors for this peptide hormone on internal organs like intestines.

I'll try to not bring this up again if nobody responds. I will assume it is a moot point to figure out. However, maybe someone can set the record straight.



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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2006, 07:04:36 PM »
I personally think a lot of the distention is simply genetic.  As I mentioned before my workout partner has a gut despite being fairly lean and having never touched a steroid in his life.

Thank you for this. I think you may have something here too. Nice to hear something different.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2006, 07:06:48 PM »
Insulin+GH=King Kamali=Dave Palumbo=Greg Kovacs

Is there anything anywhere about GH causing this? People generally get a buildup of fat behind the abdominal wall on the way to insulin resistance and eventually diabetes if they are not careful. Lots of guys have hard guts and it is because the fat is under the muscle and not on top of it. I am not contesting that these guys have brutal guts I would not want, just would like to see where GH can fit here.

If there are receptors for internal organs, I would really like to see it is all. Thanks for replying though all the same.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2006, 07:08:36 PM »
It's the growth hormone...Case closed....
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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2006, 07:08:46 PM »
Growth hormone does what it says
The pituitary gland is responsible for producing many different hormones. Some of these hormones act directly on parts of the body, while some trigger other glands to release their own hormones

One hormone produced by the pituitary gland that acts directly is called growth hormone (GH) and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what it does. Growth hormone stimulates the growth of muscle, cartilage and bone.

Overproduction of growth hormone
In rare circumstances, the pituitary gland may produce excessive amounts of GH. Invariably this is the result of the presence of a pituitary tumour, which in most cases is non-cancerous. Occasionally these tumours appear as part of an inherited condition called multiple endocrine neoplasia, in which tumours develop in several different hormone-producing glands around the body.

However, why these tumours in the pituitary gland occur in the first place remains a mystery. Since the pituitary gland is located just below the brain, as it grows it may press on the brain, causing headaches. It may also affect vision, which is usually noticed as a reduction in a person's field of vision.

Rampant growth

When excessive growth hormone is present before puberty it causes rampant growth, or gigantism

When excessive growth hormone is present before puberty it causes rampant growth, or gigantism. It's more common, however, for pituitary tumours to occur in adulthood. Although in adulthood the long bones of the arms and the legs are no longer capable of growing, the bones of the hands, feet, and face can still grow, and do so.

This enlargement, which takes place over years, may only be noticed when old photographs are compared with recent ones or when larger shoes are needed.

Characteristics
This condition that results from excessive production of GH is called acromegaly. The hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily.

Non-bony parts of the body (soft tissue) may also grow larger, which leads to weight gain and thickening of the skin. Other characteristic changes that occur in acromegaly include deepening of the voice, excess sweating and numbness and tingling in the hands and feet.

Acromegaly can have more serious effects on the body. If it's not treated then diabetes mellitus and chronic heart failure may occur.

Overcoming the problem
Once the diagnosis has been confirmed with blood tests and scans, treatment can be provided. This may include a combination of surgery to remove the tumour, radiotherapy to destroy any tumour cells, and drugs to suppress the production of GH.

Regular follow-up monitoring is provided and in time, although the bones will remain the same size, any soft tissues that have enlarged will become smaller. For further information, please visit The Pituitary Foundation website.

This article was last medically reviewed by Dr Rob Hicks in December 2005.



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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2006, 07:10:10 PM »
Next time you see a phot of Dave Palumbo, Look at his shoes/feet.  He is what 5`8 or so with a size 16 shoe.

He did not have a size 16 in that picture of him in college.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2006, 07:11:10 PM »
What size shoes does Dave Polumbo use again?
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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2006, 07:13:29 PM »
Next time you see a phot of Dave Palumbo, Look at his shoes/feet.  He is what 5`8 or so with a size 16 shoe.

He did not have a size 16 in that picture of him in college.

Thank you for that post. Everything in that post was bang on and I have no doubt that bone enlargements and thickening can be observed. However, the only soft tissue spoken about was muscle. People on here talk about enlarged intestines and although I have never read anything about that, I will look it up. I appreciate the efforts being put forth here though guys.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2006, 07:20:46 PM »
Okay, if anyone at all cares, after doing some quick reading, it would appear that as far as intestines are concerned, GH use can contribute to tumour formation. Furthermore, it has been observed to contribute to the delelopment of insulin resistance and diabetes. So everyone that has said it helps with gut formation, you were correct and those that blamed insulin were also correct. I will continue to look around and if I find anything I will put it up here so people can be informed.
Thanks again guys for the responses, they were appreciated.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2006, 07:21:52 PM »
Okay, if anyone at all cares, after doing some quick reading, it would appear that as far as intestines are concerned, GH use can contribute to tumour formation. Furthermore, it has been observed to contribute to the delelopment of insulin resistance and diabetes. So everyone that has said it helps with gut formation, you were correct and those that blamed insulin were also correct. I will continue to look around and if I find anything I will put it up here so people can be informed.
Thanks again guys for the responses, they were appreciated.

It is amazing how many Bodybuilders disregard it and think its due to the way they train...They really are some of the dumbest people alive.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2006, 07:24:51 PM »
It is amazing how many Bodybuilders disregard it and think its due to the way they train...They really are some of the dumbest people alive.

I think we can also safely suppose that some of the guys in this sport that ended up with colon-shortening surgeries may be able to blame some of it on GH. As for intellect, I don't understand people who drink and drive either, but for whatever reason, they feel it is a good idea at the time.

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Re: GH Gut?
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2006, 11:17:46 AM »
GH+Insulin+IGF