Author Topic: I am screwed! (Read 6189 times)

JackCheze · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2006, 08:41:24 AM »

it sounds like your trainer has a plan...

but, I'd say take 2 weeks off and eat all the goddamn fast food you want and stop looking in the mirror. You can't peak 24/7

Lugar · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2006, 10:19:15 AM »

NO TWO WEEKS OFF, but I def. need to stop looking in the mirror! and stay off the scales...once a week max....but no fast food for me dude....Clean 100%, 20 minutes for a cheat once a week............

dr.chimps · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2006, 06:05:01 PM »

From overtrained triathlete....to stepping on a stage in 15 months! Dude, I haven't read all the posts but have you sat back and asked yourself if your head is right? I don't mean this sacrcastically, but you are asking a lot (probably too much) from yourself and you don't seem to realize it. I think if you are as manic as you sound, you are just going to implode or get hurt. You even hint at it in the thread title ('screwed'). Take care. Take it easy, and as they say 'make haste, slowly.'

andre90 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2006, 10:17:57 PM »

eat alot of clean cut meals...eat every 2 to 3 hours and take it easy in the gym...try some weight ganier i guess then try leaning out.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2006, 10:49:04 PM »

i dont think naturals should try the bulking thing. they can get a little bit fatter but not way way over eat or eat way more carbs than they need.

JamieX4200 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2006, 12:00:14 AM »

if your trying to diet, should you eat when your not hungry, low carb, high protein stuff and shakes when your not hungry, or just wait till you are hungry..

2nd, gibber remember your pic.. who are you to be giving advice.

Lugar · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2006, 04:54:22 AM »

Who the hell is trying to diet?

? I'm 166 on my new diet...up 6lbs in a week...seems like the diet is spot on, just can't be missing meals!!!

gibberj2 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:07:03 AM »

so what? i gained more fat than i should doing just that. eating too much. what does my picture matter anyway... in case you didn't notice i gained like 65 pounds.

Lugar · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:01:45 AM »

and I gained 6 on this diet.....looks pretty ideal to meal...maybe will have to up the macros when the weight stops.....good clean diet is all it takes!

gibberj2 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:06:02 AM »

when i was trying to gain i'd obsess with the scale and ended up getting a lot fatter than i wanted. i was like YEAH! I'm 192 but i'm the same size now and i'm 179. for lugar though since he's been big before if he does the right stuff he'll gain back muscle pretty fast.

Lugar · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:20:01 AM »

THEN I SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.....JUST WEIGHING MYSELF ONCE A WEEK IN THE AM, OR MAYBE TWICE AND AVG. M AND FRIDAY...TODAY WAS 166....STAYING AWAY FROM ALL MIRRORS!

dr.chimps · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:07:58 AM »

Quote from: Lugar on July 31, 2006, 08:20:01 AM

THEN I SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.....JUST WEIGHING MYSELF ONCE A WEEK IN THE AM, OR MAYBE TWICE AND AVG. M AND FRIDAY...TODAY WAS 166....STAYING AWAY FROM ALL MIRRORS!

Dude, are you all there? Forget the scale; that's just numbers and will drive you more crazy than you are. The mirror will tell you when you're ready; you'll know. Get it the fuck together.

Lugar · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:11:34 AM »

if that was the case, I'd be done right now.....abs fade every night.......yet the scale only has moved 5lbs

JackCheze · « **Reply #38 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:28:09 PM »

sounds like you're doing the right thing Lugar

gibberj2 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:53:58 PM »

you can also measure your progress by your strength going up. if someone gains 5 pounds they should also get a lot stronger. i've gained no weight in a long time and i've gotten stronger.

JamieX4200 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:09:08 PM »

Quote from: JamieX4200 on July 31, 2006, 12:00:14 AM

if your trying to diet, should you eat when your not hungry, low carb, high protein stuff and shakes when your not hungry, or just wait till you are hungry..

2nd, gibber remember your pic.. who are you to be giving advice.

that was a question.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 02, 2006, 04:54:20 AM »

I can very damn well give advice from experience. You just run your mouth but don't even read what i say. there is nothing wrong with anything i've said and anyone who knows anything knows that. In my pictures here i show a 40+ pound of muscle gain. You haven't done that in your life... where are your pictures anyway? If you don't believe me despite the pictures being here I'll spell it out for you. The way before picture shows me at 120 pounds. If i was 12% bodyfat there which is a very high estimate then my lean weight would be between 105 and 106. My other pics are me at 185 or so. If you wanna estimate my bodyfat high again let's say 16% that would have my lean weight be 155 or 156. that's 50 pounds of lean body mass. how would you do if you were 108 pounds at 5'9" before you picked up a weight? you'd have quit already or been on steroids in the first year. I don't remember so well but I think I've seen pictures of you Jaimie and you're fat so what's up? Now my weight is 179 and i'm stronger than i was at 192 possibly with more muscle.

Overload · « **Reply #42 on:** August 02, 2006, 06:00:48 AM »

Quote from: gibberj2 on July 30, 2006, 10:49:04 PM

i dont think naturals should try the bulking thing. they can get a little bit fatter but not way way over eat or eat way more carbs than they need.

I think it's more important for naturals to bulk. in the 7 years i trained natural the only time i made gains was when i ate like a horse and trained really heavy with low volume.

to gain muscle naturaly you will have to gain fat...

gibberj2 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 02, 2006, 07:03:52 AM »

yea but what happens when it comes time to shed a lot of fat? people who focus on the scale think they gain a lot of muscle but it's mostly fat.

Overload · « **Reply #44 on:** August 02, 2006, 07:42:48 AM »

Quote from: gibberj2 on August 02, 2006, 07:03:52 AM

yea but what happens when it comes time to shed a lot of fat? people who focus on the scale think they gain a lot of muscle but it's mostly fat.

Speaking from experience huh?...

i got up to 232 all natural and once i shed the fat in a correct manner i was 189 pounds and ripped...i started lifting at around 160-170 pounds with no visible abs so i think a know a few dieting and bulking tips. i was natural for 7 years and i've competed.

you can speculate all you want but you have not done it so you don't know whats going to happen when you shed all your fat...remember you have a progress thread that we have all seen. not flaming you but you are in no position to question anything.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 02, 2006, 12:00:43 PM »

what are we talking about here exactly? at this point whenever i do fatloss i do it until i am reasonably lean and try to gain some mass again. it wouldn't be so hot if i got ripped at like 165. i've got more growing to do. and you had to lose like 40 pounds to compete.... that was FAT.

Overload · « **Reply #46 on:** August 02, 2006, 12:38:36 PM »

Quote from: gibberj2 on August 02, 2006, 12:00:43 PM

what are we talking about here exactly? at this point whenever i do fatloss i do it until i am reasonably lean and try to gain some mass again. it wouldn't be so hot if i got ripped at like 165. i've got more growing to do. and you had to lose like 40 pounds to compete.... that was FAT.

reread the posts, i'm not going to think and comprehend for you.

Of course i was fat, i never said i wasn't. that is how you get big and strong as a natural. benched 370 natural, pulled 515 natural, squated 465 natural. once i dropped the fat i "intentionally" gained i was the best man on stage. most "good" bodybuilders lose 20-40 pounds before a competition. how bout you?

i guess my point is you are like that boy candidate, all talk and no actual real experience. in fact, i find it hard to believe you lift weights by your pics. i see you giving advice on here but you look like nothing. i see 16 year olds at the gym doing pushups with better builds.

now that i powerlift i stay around 220-230 pounds with veins and abs, 30" waist. i compete in IPF, APA and WABDL competitions. i also have a closet full of trophys.

try to stick to what you know, i'm not sure what that is but bodybuilding sure isn't it...calling someone fat is quite comical, i laughed a good moment. look in the mirror.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 02, 2006, 12:52:24 PM »

meltdown. what i'm saying dude is that getting up to that weight compared to the size that you started wasn't such a big deal. i never said anything about you not knowing what you are doing. as far as you saying that i was speaking from experience? hell yeah. i got fatter than i wanted to be by obsessing over size. it can easily happen to anyone and there's no need for naturals to "bulk" to the point of having to lose more than 30 pounds. you can't pig out uncontrolably and think that it's all gonna be muscle. why are you even talking about how i look? i've made a lot of progress. how would you like it if you were under 120 pounds before you lifted a weight. from what you said it looks like you were about the size i am now when you started training... it's nice to have much better genetics than someone else and then say they don't know anything. from my posts here i have shown that i do know what i'm saying. you're just taking shots at me but not talking about anything in particular.

Lugar · « **Reply #48 on:** August 03, 2006, 08:52:23 AM »

You fucking always managed to bombard my threads dood....please, I've really asked you once already...enough...

gibberj2 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 03, 2006, 12:37:40 PM »

sorry. i'm just defending myself against these guys