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best ECA stack
« on: October 24, 2006, 02:08:28 PM »
i was wondering what you guys and gals think the best eca stack / supplement is/are.

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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 03:01:29 PM »
i was wondering what you guys and gals think the best eca stack / supplement is/are.
im not sure i understand the question. ECA is a ephedrine,caffine aspirin stack and yeah its awesome. if you wondering what make to buy it doesn't really matter. The ephedrine i buy is made by Kaizen and comes in 8mg tablets, The caffine i buy is bioX and comes in 200mg tablets and I buy normal aspirin and just break it in half when i take it.

I take my eca stack like this:
4 weeks on (one serving in the morning 16mg ephys,200mg caffine and half aspirin)
                   (one serving in the afternoon before training same thing)
while on, i take 2 days out of the week(my off days from training) and DON'T take any eca.

2 weeks off.
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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 04:23:15 PM »
With ECA, the typical 20/100/200 mg combo works best.  This is no miracle though.  Do lots of cardio and you'll sweat up a storm.  Also drink a lot when you take this because aspirine can be harsh on your stomach, also don't get the coated kind because by the time you have absorbed the EC, the A is still intact in your stomach.

Just as people build up a tolerance on Clen, the same thing happens here.  What I like to do is the following.
1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-3-3-3-3-2-2-2-1-1

This is a serving chart for 4 weeks. I am an early bird so I take it at 4:00 am, then do cardio.  Next dose is at 8:00am, then noon (workout), then 4:00pm.  It is also good for you to take in taurine and potassium as with clen.  Although clen is harsh in depleting you of these minerals, I still do this with ECA.  If the tabs of Ephedrine you have are 25 mg, don't try to chip off 1/5 of it to make it into a 20 mg tab.  Just take it as is.  Nowadays Ephedrine is put into 8 mg tabs so I take 3 of them, 1 prolab caffeine pill and one aspirin.

In the last week of the stack try taking some hoodia and continue for the 2-3 week downtime.  My appetite soars when off of this stack and I want to sleep forever the following week so plan accordingly.  Stay away from caffeine in coffee, tea and sodas while on this stack and also in the down weeks.  You want to keep your tolerance for caffeine low so you feel the full effect. 

Stay away from Ephedrine that has Guaffenisine ( my spelling sucks ).  This buffers the "rush" you get from Ephedrine.

I have found that my best fat burning days are after the 4 weeks of my ECA cycle.  The ECA stack boosted up my metabolism and it finally gets into a rhythm and the fat starts to roll off.  It is just a pain in the ass fighting through the lethargy from the lack of caffeine during the down weeks.

Here's the million dollar secret.  Down each serving of the ECA with grapefruit juice.  It is a known fact that it enhances the fat burning effects of caffeine. You can even try for yourself.  Take ECA with water, rate your "rush", then take your next dose with grapefruit juice.  It is awesome.

Good luck and be safe.  These are just my opinions and you should continue doing some research before trying this yourself.

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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 04:28:13 PM »
grapefruit juice eh? hmmm i'll have to give it a shot. Thanks.
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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 04:35:23 PM »
grapefruit juice eh? hmmm i'll have to give it a shot. Thanks.

Yep, there have been studies that grapefruit juice enhances the absorbtion of many medicines, caffeine being one.  It is actually written on certain prescription drug warnings to not take with it.  It is awesome. 

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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 04:37:10 PM »
Yep, there have been studies that grapefruit juice enhances the absorbtion of many medicines, caffeine being one.  It is actually written on certain prescription drug warnings to not take with it.  It is awesome. 
well i'll try it and let ya know! cool.
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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 07:04:26 PM »
just stocked up on Vasopro.  6 Boxes.  I had a GREAT workout last 2 days.  Also stack with caffeine 100mg as well. I go 1 month on 1 month off. ;D

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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 07:54:08 PM »
Can anyone tell me why this thread shouldn't be deleted?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=70793.0


ok, the grapefruit thing was interesting  ;)
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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 08:13:05 AM »
Make sure you buy yellow grapefruit juice and not the ruby red kind.  Here are some research studies on it.

Grapefruit juice–drug interactions
David G. Bailey1, J. Malcolm1, O. Arnold1 & J. David Spence1
The novel finding that grapefruit juice can markedly augment oral drug bioavailability was based on an unexpected observation from an interaction study between the dihydropyridine calcium channel antagonist, felodipine, and ethanol in which grapefruit juice was used to mask the taste of the ethanol. Subsequent investigations showed that grapefruit juice acted by reducing presystemic felodipine metabolism through selective post-translational down regulation of cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) expression in the intestinal wall. Since the duration of effect of grapefruit juice can last 24  h, repeated juice consumption can result in a cumulative increase in felodipine AUC and Cmax. The high variability of the magnitude of effect among individuals appeared dependent upon inherent differences in enteric CYP3A4 protein expression such that individuals with highest baseline CYP3A4 had the highest proportional increase. At least 20 other drugs have been assessed for an interaction with grapefruit juice. Medications with innately low oral bioavailability because of substantial presystemic metabolism mediated by CYP3A4 appear affected by grapefruit juice. Clinically relevant interactions seem likely for most dihydropyridines, terfenadine, saquinavir, cyclosporin, midazolam, triazolam and verapamil and may also occur with lovastatin, cisapride and astemizole. The importance of the interaction appears to be influenced by individual patient susceptibility, type and amount of grapefruit juice and administration-related factors. Although in vitro findings support the flavonoid, naringin, or the furanocoumarin, 6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin, as being active ingredients, a recent investigation indicated that neither of these substances made a major contribution to grapefruit juice-drug interactions in humans
 


caffeine levels and it effects may be extended by consuming grapefruit or grapefruit juice (1,5). There is a chemical in grapefruit called naringin that extends the half-life of caffeine. Naringin, which is the substance that gives grapefruit its unique bitter taste, slows the breakdown of caffeine into its metabolite, paraxanthine, in the liver. Consuming canned grapefruit juice is the best strategy because it has much higher concentrations of naringin. The maceration of fresh grapefruit releases the active ingredient which is otherwise locked in (18). This may allow athletes to consume smaller dosages of caffeine and still get the same results and extend the effects later in a long endurance event.

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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2006, 06:55:49 AM »
aren't there some supplements that are hindered by grapefruit?  seems like i remember reading this but i can't remember which one it was...any help?
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Re: best ECA stack
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2006, 11:34:28 AM »

 Doesnt grapefruit juice have lots of sugar in it?

 Is grapefruit juice without sugar available?

 How can one acquire ephedrine tabs WITHOUT guifenessin?
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