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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2007, 06:01:23 PM »
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When will the world end?  Isn't it when all Muslim tribes crush all the tribes of Israel?

my god..people actually believe this...

from what i've read on here and what i've heard growing up..the end of the world is pretty similar in the bible and the koran..and kinda scientific..

both seem to point towarss the sun going red giant..
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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2007, 06:06:59 PM »
i really dont know whats wrong with some people(not you guys). i just watched jesus camp so im angry :D

do you think god. an almighty creator of life, more powerful then you can imagine and ALL LOVING. cares what religion you choose. or that your life affects him. if hes all knowing, wouldnt he know the future? and if he did, then by giving you your circumstances, personality, be condeming you to hell?


god is not so petty, people keep reducing him to personal humanistic thoughts and needs. that is not and can not be god. any attribute you give him is wrong, any attribute you dont is wrong.

there has to be a greater purpose then avoiding sin or praising him, it isnt logical any other way.

im not taking shots at religion. i think real religion is pure and good. the teachings make you a better person and if that brings you closer to god then great. but intergroup prejudice(not saying anyone here is doing it) is ridiculous.

i just hate people who disguise their hate with religion. it is the opposite of its meaning. judging others is not your job according to the good book, but yet evangelic christians do it all the time.

loco you should watch jesus camp if you want to see people twist christianity to the max. makes you want to choke those bitches.


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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2007, 06:10:50 PM »
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if i saw him myself..and he performed a miracle that i could not explain thru science..YES!


then i could begin step 2...

deciding whether christanity..islam or juadism is the proper religion..


however ..god in essence should accept a good person regardless of which religion of those 3 he or she chose right?  god is  beyond petty differences right?

yes your right. god is beyond petty human differences. people always say god wants you to love him, wants you to be free of sin etc etc... but dont realize the whole time they are contradicting themselves. needs, wants imply not perfect hence its not the god your praying to.

and you'll see no miracles. the world operates thru laws, miracles imply mistakes, which means god fucked up. unless its god performing the miracles :D.

i contend that there is a great truth to the reason we dont know why? how? etc....

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2007, 05:56:34 AM »
loco you should watch jesus camp if you want to see people twist christianity to the max. makes you want to choke those bitches.

Thanks!  I'll check it out.

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2007, 06:03:10 AM »
and you'll see no miracles.

Jesus changed me, and He has changed many lives for thousands of years.  That's a miracle.

Israel exists today, despite numerous attempts by many people over the ages to annihilate them and wipe them off the face of the earth.  And they are back in the land promised to them by God, stronger than ever.  That's a miracle.

Many people have said "Because Israel exists today, I will believe in God."

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2007, 06:11:13 AM »
god is  beyond petty differences right?

Yes, but God has never and will never tolerate a cult/religion that preaches death to all people of a certain group, especially the Jews, His chosen people....whoever that cult/religion might be.

You don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger And you don't mess with the Jews, the apple of God's eye.


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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2007, 06:20:41 AM »
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however ..god in essence should accept a good person regardless of which religion of those 3 he or she chose right?  god is  beyond petty differences right?
The bible is pretty clear that "no one is "good" [righteous] no, not one." Romans 3:10

But on the positive side it teaches that those that believe on Christ are forgiven :D

Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2007, 08:24:42 AM »
And you don't mess with the Jews, the apple of God's eye.




but but...buut the muslims believe they r god chosen people  :-\

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2007, 08:26:02 AM »
The bible is pretty clear that "no one is "good" [righteous] no, not one." Romans 3:10



see i have a problem with that...

a baby is not god and rightious?

a monk is not good an rightious?


if you have done more good things than bad things in your life than i believe you r good and rightious..
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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2007, 08:33:19 AM »
see i have a problem with that...

a baby is not god and rightious?

a monk is not good an rightious?


if you have done more good things than bad things in your life than i believe you r good and rightious..

So if you raped and mutilated 3 women, but then you went on to save the lives of 10 other people, you're good and rightious? Hmm...
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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2007, 10:49:36 AM »
So if you raped and mutilated 3 women, but then you went on to save the lives of 10 other people, you're good and rightious? Hmm...

hmm lotsa rapists walking around doing good deeds..eh

but lets take that hypothetically..

soo under your conditions..the raper of 3 women would not go punished and rot away in jail for the rest of his life..


now personally i believe people that commit such extreme crimes dont change and be put to death asap...


you tell me what your god would do with a 3 time rapist and 10 time saverr of lives...?

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2007, 11:23:41 AM »
why are people saying god "wants" or will not tolerate. can you not see the contradiction


if god does exist, he is not human like, his logic is not ours, his rationale is not ours. your reducing him to a humanistic god, something that has to be incorrect, if he is all we are not. he cant have feelings, wants, needs.

a miracle is considered something that defy's the laws of nature.

they are a miracle(s) if you considered miracles things of small probability. but they are still explanible by science and logic in the end.they are NOT miracles.





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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2007, 11:26:28 AM »
why are people saying god "wants" or will not tolerate. can you not see the contradiction

Why?  My knowledge of God comes from the Bible.  That's why.  I know you don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but I do.

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2007, 12:01:16 PM »
Why?  My knowledge of God comes from the Bible.  That's why.  I know you don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but I do.

ok, so give me some attributes of your god? or the god of the bible?


if you dont mind :)

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2007, 12:12:44 PM »
ok, so give me some attributes of your god? or the god of the bible?

if you dont mind :)

I don't mind.  Just give me time.  God has so many attributes, and there are so many Bible verses for each attribute.  I'll look them up and post some for you.

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2007, 01:12:12 PM »
ok, so give me some attributes of your god? or the god of the bible?


if you dont mind :)

God's Attributes according to the Bible
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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2007, 01:15:35 PM »

hmmmmmmmmm

are you delusional?

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Re: Humans genetically programmed to believe in God?
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2007, 02:02:39 PM »
haider,
Hey man, you accused me of spewing ignorance.  So I responded showing you that I am not.  If this is ignorance, then I am not the one spewing it, but the Muslims are.
 
I have to look at it within some sort of context to properly judge what is being said.

Who is taking it out of context?  Not me.  I just showed you Muslims are the ones using these texts to back up their call to kill all Jews.  Who do you think I got the text from?  I didn't even know they exist.
 
I don't really sense anti-semitism though, just that it is predicted that muslims will be at war with the jews.  ???

I don't see how you can't see the anti-semitism here, but I'll go with that.  Let's say the text just predicts a war between Muslims and Jews.
 
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones"
 
Looks like the Muslims will kill Jews until a few remaining Jews will flee and hide behind stones and trees. 
 
"The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
 
So Muslims will kill those few remaining Jews too with some help from Allah.  Looks like total annihilation to me.  And why is Allah in this war on the side of the Muslims and helping them wipe out the Jews?
 
I dunno the numbers, but I doubt most christians around the world care much about Israel.

It's okay.  You are not a Christian, but I am.  I know that most Christian around the world do care and support Israel.  I am one of those many Christians.
 
It is irrational to love all jews

Is it?  How about to love all people?  We Christians are commanded by God to love all people, Jew, Arab, Muslim, homosexual, friend and enemy.  This is impossible to do without the power of the Holy Spirit in us.  You can receive the Holy Spirit too if you repent of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ.
 
There's the good and the bad, and Israel has done plenty of bad.

True, but there is no excuse and no justification for what the Jews have gone through over the ages, slavery, hate, exile, the Holocaust, etc.  We all have done plenty of bad, but what did Jews do to Hitler?  They didn't deserve any of that.
 
You explicitly said that the God of muslims, and muslims hate jews. This is not true.

Yes, I said that.  I didn't just make that up.  First, an Arab told me that.  He said "I read the Bible and I saw that the God of the Bible loves Jews, yet the god of the Muslims hates Jews."  I didn't know this until he told me.  But now that I read those Muslim religious texts, I see it too.  Why is Allah going to make the stones and the trees "(betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah ( i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "   Why is Allah holding "the Hour of Resurrection - the end of the world" until the Muslims kill all Jews?  This is what Muslim leaders are preaching and they have their Muslim religious texts to back it up.
 

We have no obligation to love jews. The whole idea seems kinda ridiculous to me.

According to the Bible, God says that you, that we all are.


Why are jews given this special status? Becuase of their genes? So if I'm born a jew I deserve God's love more than a white or a black? How is this not unfair?

Deuteronomy 7:6 
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Deuteronomy 14:2 
for you are a people holy to the LORD your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the LORD has chosen you to be his treasured possession.

Genesis 12:1-3
The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." 

God chose the Jews, (the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) to bring redemption to the world through Jesus Christ, the Savior. God made a Covenant with Abraham which establishes this very fact. God chose the Jews to be a people separated unto God.  Through the Jews, God revealed Himself to mankind. The Jews were a people through whom the salvation (Messiah) would come to the whole world.

There is absolutely no evidence in the Bible where God rejects the Jewish people as His chosen people.  God will not break his covenant with Abraham.  God does not break promises.  God does not lie.

I realy dont know, neither do I really care how the world will end. We should be worrying mroe about how to NOT end the world, rather than pushing for it. This goes against the idea of peace, love, and harmony.


I agree, but again, it's the Muslims that are preaching this, not me.  If you disagree with them, then go into the Muslim community and tell them to stop.