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SirTraps

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Partial deads to start back day
« on: July 22, 2007, 05:44:40 PM »
there isnt a better way to work back imo, Partial deads/pullups/heavy rows are the way to go.

      I use a narrow grip for pullups and they ripped the shit out of my elbows so i had to nix them though.  For partial deads i just do 5 sets of 1-3 reps.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 05:16:18 AM »
Since no one else has said it, sure there's nothing wrong with it. I just wouldn't ALWAYS do it as an opener for your back day. Rotate your exercises so you can put max effort into each instead of doing the samething over and over again. Even if it's the same exercises, putting htem in a different order with different weights or sets will always give your back something new to look at.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 11:01:08 AM »
Partial deads work the whole back, and going heavy makes it a good compund exercise imo.  I wouldnt want to pre-exhaust anything first.  I just started doing them again.

              I agree its good to change things up, but i dont think cables/pulleys give you the same size and strength as do a core of partial deads/rows and pullups.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 11:05:24 AM »
Partial deads work the whole back, and going heavy makes it a good compund exercise imo.  I wouldnt want to pre-exhaust anything first.  I just started doing them again.

              I agree its good to change things up, but i dont think cables/pulleys give you the same size and strength as do a core of partial deads/rows and pullups.

as long as you pull from your knees or just below it..don't be like those guys in the gym practially standing up and just picking the bar up off hte rack telling me it's a 600lb rack dead..because it's not. as long as you take most of your legs out of it it should be fine and you're right. I woudln't pre exhaust either. I do those kinds of movements to polish off all the compound work AFTER the big stuff.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 07:24:59 PM »
Can also do DL's with the pins set about mid-thigh range. Short ROM but excellent results. Include these with the partial  from the knee area. Also a good position to do shrugs from. Might want to add GM'ing for total back strength.

Any form of DL'ing can stand by it's self for strength and development but it is a good idea to add a actual pulling movement to the workout. Like BB rows or chins. Prefer one or the other, not both for a short and to the point heavy workout. Good Luck.
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 03:09:56 AM »
personally i think full deads are the best.

in regards to deads full or partial, i prefer doing them as second or third exercise so that my whole body is warmer.

in regards to pull ups just dont do widegrips to avoid injury ....lets just say i have seen someone snap off their shoulder tendon doing them, and it is enough to make u never do it again (it sounded like a gun going off) OUCH.
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 03:39:39 AM »
personally i think full deads are the best.

in regards to deads full or partial, i prefer doing them as second or third exercise so that my whole body is warmer.

in regards to pull ups just dont do widegrips to avoid injury ....lets just say i have seen someone snap off their shoulder tendon doing them, and it is enough to make u never do it again (it sounded like a gun going off) OUCH.

ouch man, that'd suck dude! reminds me of when I snapped my arm in an arm wrestle, that made a really loud crack aswell..
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 07:14:14 AM »
Can also do DL's with the pins set about mid-thigh range. Short ROM but excellent results. Include these with the partial  from the knee area. Also a good position to do shrugs from. Might want to add GM'ing for total back strength.

Any form of DL'ing can stand by it's self for strength and development but it is a good idea to add a actual pulling movement to the workout. Like BB rows or chins. Prefer one or the other, not both for a short and to the point heavy workout. Good Luck.


You really think THAT short of movement will reap any major benefits?!  ???

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 08:19:27 AM »
Actually I said to include the short range DL's with the partials from the knee area, off a rack. It is not meant to be a stand along exercise. Meant to be part of a whole back workout (basic three level lifting positions in a proper workout plan).And yes, great benefit can be obtained from most short range movements. Even from 2" to 4" travel. Most guy's will use a 100 to 150 above the regular DL, from that top short pin position. It builds a base of power and can increase muscle mass. Remember that the DL is primarily a holding exercise, while the legs become the main driving force. Static or holding movements have value in building all over power.You will probably need straps and/or chalk. You will build heavy callouses with straps or not. You will never know the true potential of how strong the body is until experimenting with short range movements, from time to time. Though this very intense type of training may not be meant for everyone.

I would doubt that not too many guy's who come to this site are familiar with partial/rack training. This need not be low reps (2's or 3's). With a higher rep BB'ing scheme (8-12) it can be a muscle builder . Some guy's use 15- 20 reps in some of the heavier compound movements. Is rack/partial training the only way to train? No, it's just a part of many tools offered to become bigger and stronger. Probably best to cycle (6to 8 weeks) partial training from time to time. Rather than pretty much doing the same old stuff, time after time, with slow to meager results. Be warned that it should be approached slowly at first. Getting the CNS adjusted to extreme weights handled should be the main concern. Good luck.
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 08:21:45 AM »
Actually I said to include the short range DL's with the partials from the knee area, off a rack. It is not meant to be a stand along exercise. Meant to be part of a whole back workout (basic three level lifting positions in a proper workout plan).And yes, great benefit can be obtained from most short range movements. Even from 2" to 4" travel. Most guy's will use a 100 to 150 above the regular DL, from that top short pin position. It builds a base of power and can increase muscle mass. Remember that the DL is primarily a holding exercise, while the legs become the main driving force. Static or holding movements have value in building all over power.You will probably need straps and/or chalk. You will build heavy callouses with straps or not. You will never know the true potential of how strong the body is until experimenting with short range movements, from time to time. Though this very intense type of training may not be meant for everyone.

I would doubt that not too many guy's who come to this site are familiar with partial/rack training. This need not be low reps (2's or 3's). With a higher rep BB'ing scheme (8-12) it can be a muscle builder . Some guy's use 15- 20 reps in some of the heavier compound movements. Is rack/partial training the only way to train? No, it's just a part of many tools offered to become bigger and stronger. Probably best to cycle (6to 8 weeks) partial training from time to time. Rather than pretty much doing the same old stuff, time after time, with slow to meager results. Be warned that it should be approached slowly at first. Getting the CNS adjusted to extreme weights handled should be the main concern. Good luck.


Thanks the explaination. I honestly appreciate you taking the time to post that.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 07:39:51 PM »
ouch man, that'd suck dude! reminds me of when I snapped my arm in an arm wrestle, that made a really loud crack aswell..

oh yeah man, it actually made me depressed for my workout it was awful, i think he went to hospital.

also, i have read it puts the shoulders in a bad position and that in fact wide grip is a shorter range of motion, and that u cant widen the muscle per se, u hit it the whole muscle to stimiulate the most fibers, and the whole thing will get bigger and as a result get wider. the width it will grow is genetic.
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 12:48:23 PM »
partial deads..
are for sissys..
get that bar on the floor
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 04:15:49 PM »
 ::)  it works my entire back just fine, with heavy weight while sparing the discs in my back from being herniated.  Im not training for a PL meet.  ::)

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2007, 03:23:27 AM »
neither am i....
if you have problems with you lower back.... then i digress..
but if you have no problems with ur lower back..
do full deads... ;)
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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2007, 10:36:59 AM »
how about you do full deads and ill keep my lumbar discs healthy and do partial deads, how about that ?  ::)

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2007, 11:34:29 AM »
how about you do full deads and ill keep my lumbar discs healthy and do partial deads, how about that ?  ::)

Where do you start your partial deads at? Above the knee? Just below it? Mid shin?  ???

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2007, 03:32:39 PM »
below the knee, im getting great results with them-getting stronger on everything-especially back.

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Re: Partial deads to start back day
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2007, 04:21:09 PM »
how about you do full deads and ill keep my lumbar discs healthy and do partial deads, how about that ?  ::)
my lubar disks are verrry healthy... i pick up quite a lot of weight on the deadlift being doing so for years.. and its given me a crazy back...
if u have a bad back by all means... dont do em..
Im just razzing you man
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