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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2008, 11:20:17 AM »
I like to keep it light in here kid.  ;)

Seems a bit "stuffy" lately

But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.



Oh yeah I agree. You need blood work, this is a must. It is the only way to monitor your health accurately. Liver support is kinda like insurance.

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2008, 02:49:28 PM »
But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.
Oh yeah I agree. You need blood work, this is a must. It is the only way to monitor your health accurately. Liver support is kinda like insurance.

Unfortunately blood work doesn't always tell the whole story. Peliosis hepatitis, liver adenomas can develop even while blood work looks good.

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2008, 02:54:13 PM »
Do you know anything about this product/compound Van?

I know the owner of Thermolife and he is a nut ball so can't say I trust him all that much!! Seriously, the dude is wayyyyyy out there, but so are a lot of people in the supp. industry

I don't know the guy but from what I've read he seems a bit crazy.

I do know UDCA is used in case of cholestasis, which is what you have to worry about when you use oral steroids. There is not much data supporting Liv-52, anti-oxidants etc (for this type of liver complication).

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2008, 03:00:32 PM »
They have liver transplants right?

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2008, 03:04:43 PM »
They have liver transplants right?

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Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2008, 03:08:33 PM »
Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.

WOWOOW I didn't know it was that easy, I guess if you have healthcare covered just go for the dream baby!

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2008, 04:13:40 PM »
Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.

Haha chasing the dream huh Van?

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2009, 07:53:30 AM »
Yeah and it's no big deal. I'm on my third liver myself.

  I keep a couple in the freezer, just in case...

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2009, 01:15:51 PM »
after oral supplementation I use Liv52 and cranberry extract for about a month...

Agree with this...worked for me for the last year.
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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2009, 03:55:05 PM »
I do know UDCA is used in case of cholestasis, which is what you have to worry about when you use oral steroids. There is not much data supporting Liv-52, anti-oxidants etc (for this type of liver complication).

Ursodeoxycholic acid restores anabolic liver


Mexican doctors managed to repair a bodybuilder's damaged using the bile acid ursodeoxycholic acid, UDCA for short. UDCA is a cholesterol regulator that humans manufacture in small quantities in the body. Doctors and supplements
manufacturers use a synthetic version of the substance. The full name for UDCA is 3alpha,7beta dihydroxy 5alpha cholan 24-oic acid.
[Structure below]

The 29-year-old bodybuilder had been suffering from stomach pain for two months. Two weeks before he went to the doctor he also developed jaundice and itching. He had lost fourteen kilograms.

The doctors discovered that his liver was in a bad way. The steroids the bodybuilder had been taking had given him cholestasis, a condition in which the ducts in the liver become inflamed and therefore cannot remove bile to the duodenum. Bile removes cholesterol from the body.

Before becoming ill, the bodybuilder had taken a three-month course of 25 mg of proviron per day, 40 mg of andriol per day, 30 mg of deca per day, 50 mg of oxymetholone per day and 800 mg of testosterone per day. [It’s there in black and white – Ed.]

The doctors got the bodybuilder to stop taking the steroids and gave him a daily 15 mg per kg bodyweight of ursodeoxycholic acid. Ursodiol, as it is also called, removes poisonous bile acids and possibly also steroids from the liver by competition - and thus stimulates the recovery of the ducts through which the liver sends the bile acid to the duodenum in the gut. [Gut. 1991 Sep;32(9):1061-5.] It took a couple of months but the bodybuilder’s liver function recovered.





Alb = albumin; ALT = alanine aminotransferase; AP = alkaline phosphatase; AST = aspartate aminotransferase; DB = direct bilirubin; GGT = gamma-glutamyltransferase; PT = prothrombin time; TB = total bilirubin; TPT = partial thromboplastin time.

Sources:
Liver Int. 2008 Feb;28(2):278-82.


http://www.ergo-log.com/udca.html

Here's also an article about the Essentiale Forte study which I posted about a while back:

http://www.ergo-log.com/essentialeforte.html




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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2009, 05:02:45 PM »
I like to keep it light in here kid.  ;)

Seems a bit "stuffy" lately

But really, with liver detox products, not like you can "feel" that working so to me, only way is blood work.



Stuffy?  ???

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2009, 12:05:24 PM »
B-12 & Milk Thistle

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Re: Liver cleanser
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2009, 08:16:28 AM »
milk thistle for me - 1 in the morning, 1 at night.

within 2 days my urine is as clear as alaskan glacier water  8)
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