Just get some ephedrine and caffeine. All those "cutters" are a waste of money. they cost soooo much and eca is always more effective.at my local sup shop a bottle of caffein is like 6 bucks for a fuckload of caffein, and each eph bottle is like 3 bucks. so like..insanely cheaper. And you dont get any of that useless faggoty "green tea extract"