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Excessive protein and health
« on: October 31, 2007, 07:17:24 AM »
Now before i do a mega search for literature on high protein levels and health, particularly kidney health, I wanna get some LEGIT feedback on what you guys think...


over 300 grams a day for years ok on your kidneys, given plenty of water?  THoughs?  Please, only knowledgable info only...(this means NOT you candizzle... ;D)

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 07:51:06 AM »
BITCH!

i am knowledgeable on this subject.

but i know that princess knows the same thing i do..........
so hope that she answers your question. because im not giving you my info!!!! >:(

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2007, 07:54:19 AM »
your advice is welcome candizzle.

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2007, 08:41:14 AM »
What I have read suggests no adverse effects on kidneys.

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2007, 08:46:39 AM »
i've personally never had any problems w pain, but i did have a higher than normal creatinine reading last time i had blood work done...but whether or not this is indicative of inadequate kidney functioning, I don't know.






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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 08:59:05 AM »
Now before i do a mega search for literature on high protein levels and health, particularly kidney health, I wanna get some LEGIT feedback on what you guys think...


over 300 grams a day for years ok on your kidneys, given plenty of water?  THoughs?  Please, only knowledgable info only...(this means NOT you candizzle... ;D)

up to 3 g protein /kg bw/day should be safe. (and probably abit more)   Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Apr;16(2):129-52.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16779921

but only 2 g protein/kg bw/day is needed.


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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2007, 10:17:06 AM »
your also creating alot of waste products such as uric acid in your body which could potentially ruin your health. i wouldnt go over 1 gram per pound, theres absolutely no need for more, as it doesnt increase protein synthesis, its really overkill.

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2007, 10:23:01 AM »
if youre curious on how your body would react to a higher intake of protein, why not cycle it for a couple of months only? far easier than to eat it a longer period and the risk, if any, would be limited
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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2007, 10:25:31 AM »
if youre curious on how your body would react to a higher intake of protein, why not cycle it for a couple of months only? far easier than to eat it a longer period and the risk, if any, would be limited
there is no need to cycle it.

as more than 2g protein/kg bw/day is like pouring water into a full glass. you will be using it as expensive energy instead of eating more of cheaper carbs.

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2007, 11:42:08 AM »
when i checked into rehab last march i had to get a blood panel done upon entering; and my blood protein levels were 20 times higher than the average persons...and something like 250% higher than what is considered healthy...

at least, i think that it was called "blood protein level", and i am pretty sure that it was 20 times and 250%.

the exact wording and numbers arent that important. just that a diet with big protein intake can be measured, and that certain charts show it as unhealthy.


but as for kidney problems, like he said; up to 3 grams per pound of bodyweight will hurt you; unless you already have pre-existing kidney problems. in which case, high protein intake WILL aggravate any pre-existing kidney issues.


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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2007, 11:47:13 AM »
there is no need to cycle it.

as more than 2g protein/kg bw/day is like pouring water into a full glass. you will be using it as expensive energy instead of eating more of cheaper carbs.

opinions vary

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2007, 12:22:32 PM »
I think as long as your renal system is OK you should not have any problems IMO

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2007, 01:10:39 PM »
What I have read suggests no adverse effects on kidneys.
^concur

i've personally never had any problems w pain, but i did have a higher than normal creatinine reading last time i had blood work done...but whether or not this is indicative of inadequate kidney functioning, I don't know.


Yes, it can be a red flag for the doc.

Creatinine is made at a steady rate and is not affected by diet or by normal exercise. If your kidneys are not working normally, the amount of creatinine in your urine goes down while its level in your blood goes up. There are different types of creatinine tests - blood, urine and BUN, which is  blood, urea and nitrogen.  Not up to speed on details beyond that.



your also creating alot of waste products such as uric acid in your body which could potentially ruin your health. i wouldnt go over 1 gram per pound, theres absolutely no need for more, as it doesn't increase protein synthesis, its really overkill.
^concur
unless extreme dieting - ie; contest prep mode


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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2007, 02:13:41 PM »
  For health, all you need, believe it or not, is 20 to 40 grams of protein per day. Remember that your body manufactures all but 9 amino acids, and people survive as vegetarians.

  Now, I don't believe that Humans were made for vegetarianism. The evidence? There are some vitamins, like B 12, that are only present in animal-derived foods, and several minerals, like Iron, Zinc and Magnesium, which are poorly absorbed from vegetable sources. This is prima fasce evidence that Humans are not herbivores. This might have been true for our ape-like ancestors from 5 million years ago, but it has not been true for at least 50 000 years since Humans became hunther-gatherers and started to eat not only plants but also eggs, milk and game meat.

  Having said that, I believe that meat is completley unnecessary for health: eating some slices of cottage cheese or a few whole eggs a week will give you all the amino acids that you need. Meat is overload. If your goal is to gain muslce, then meat is extraordinary since it gives you lots of complete protein. However, if you're just into fintess and health and want to be as healthy as possible, then the ideal is to become a non-meat, non-processed food eating omnivore. :)

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2007, 07:41:11 PM »

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/JISSN-3-1-7-27-06.pdf

Really great article regarding high protein and resistance training (bodybuilding).

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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 08:02:48 PM »
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/JISSN-3-1-7-27-06.pdf

Really great article regarding high protein and resistance training (bodybuilding).

Awesome paper.

I'm stickying it!


Page 6
It is further known that a number of other variables
affect protein intake. Perhaps the most critical of
these is energy intake. When an individual is in a
caloric deficit, protein needs are greater than when
the individual is in maintenance or a caloric surplus

34. Finally it has been recently postulated that a true
general protein requirement may be impossible to
find considering that studies strongly suggest that
different results will be obtained with the same
protein intake when a number of variables are
manipulated
The remainder of the paper will
provide an in depth analysis of a number of these
variables.
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Re: Excessive protein and health
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 08:04:15 PM »
Not bad for my first post eh? ;)