gh-gut without gh?

[rifat]

Can steroids alone cause organ growth?
I'm in my thirties now,been juicing quite heavily in my twenties for about 5 years(1500mg test/week,600mg deca/week,100mg d-bol or anadrol/day;tried insulin once for 10 weeks;never took gh).
Anyway,my gut expanded and never became normal again and also my bellybutton grew.
I reduced my steroid consumption to about 1/4 and don't stuff myself with food anymore like I used to.
Bodyfat is not an issue(about 12% at 275 lbs),but my gut won't go away.
Any recommendations?

[busyB]

Can steroids alone cause organ growth?
I'm in my thirties now,been juicing quite heavily in my twenties for about 5 years(1500mg test/week,600mg deca/week,100mg d-bol or anadrol/day;tried insulin once for 10 weeks;never took gh).Anyway,my gut expanded and never became normal again and also my bellybutton grew.
I reduced my steroid consumption to about 1/4 and don't stuff myself with food anymore like I used to.
Bodyfat is not an issue(about 12% at 275 lbs),but my gut won't go away.
Any recommendations?

Some feel insulin is more of a culprit than GH. Just what I have heard but nothing to back that up.

[AVBG]

Some feel insulin is more of a culprit than GH. Just what I have heard but nothing to back that up.

Many people believe the same.

[StillTippin]

Some feel insulin is more of a culprit than GH. Just what I have heard but nothing to back that up.

Could 10 weeks of insulin give him permanent organ growth?

[busyB]

Could 10 weeks of insulin give him permanent organ growth?

First thing I thought of was that 10 wks is not long enough to give him permanent growth?? That is why I said I have nothing to back up my statement.

Sure someone with more experience with gut growth will chime in. I just hear repeatedly lately that when these guys carb up with slin, they get that pregnant look.

[Arnold jr]

Can steroids alone cause organ growth?
I'm in my thirties now,been juicing quite heavily in my twenties for about 5 years(1500mg test/week,600mg deca/week,100mg d-bol or anadrol/day;tried insulin once for 10 weeks;never took gh).
Anyway,my gut expanded and never became normal again and also my bellybutton grew.
I reduced my steroid consumption to about 1/4 and don't stuff myself with food anymore like I used to.
Bodyfat is not an issue(about 12% at 275 lbs),but my gut won't go away.
Any recommendations?

Sounds like you're taking the right approach by not stuffing and gorging yourself any more...year after year of heavy hard eating can cause some unwanted distension.

One thing to keep in mind, year after years heavy lifting is also going to contribute to your stomach looking bigger...abs and obliques grow just like every other muscle...and when you're doing heavy military, deads and squats, nothing on earth will make them grow like those do.

BTW, I'd be shocked if 10wks of slin caused permanent enlargement of your stomach or organs.

[Van_Bilderass]

This was called "roid gut". I don't know what exactly causes it but it happens for sure. Especially some orals can cause the stomach to swell up. Some might speculate that it's the liver that is enlarged, but I don't know.

[Arnold jr]

This was called "roid gut". I don't know what exactly causes it but it happens for sure. Especially some orals can cause the stomach to swell up. Some might speculate that it's the liver that is enlarged, but I don't know.

That seems like a long shot IMO...do you realize how big your liver would have to get to actually notice and protrusion just from it being enlarged?

[Emmortal]

It would have to be big enough to the point you would be dead first heh.  I'm not really sure how insulin can cause gut swell, I'm no doctor and haven't used the stuff personally, but it intrigues me as to how it could cause that effect.  HGH would obviously cause that to happen, but just not sure about insulin.

[Van_Bilderass]

That seems like a long shot IMO...do you realize how big your liver would have to get to actually notice and protrusion just from it being enlarged?

Yeah, which is why I don't think it's likely. But I've seen that hypothesis thrown out there.

Emmortal, the idea is that insulin causes accumulation of visceral fat around the organs, causing the gut to protrude.

[Emmortal]

Hmmm, that's really interesting.  If it is visceral fat then possibly can be reversed, unlike HGH gut?

[Van_Bilderass]

Hmmm, that's really interesting.  If it is visceral fat then possibly can be reversed, unlike HGH gut?

Yes for sure IMO. But the question I have is why isn't it burned off when the guys diet down for comps (that is if that's really what's causing the gut)? Visceral fat is usually the first fat to go when one loses weight.

[Emmortal]

True, I wish some of those guys would go in and get examined to see what the cause of it is, I'm sure someone out there has.

[busyB]

All I am hearing lately is that slin and all the carbing up is causing it more than the GH. When they get on stage, all them sweet tats are bloating?? That seems like a stretch to me but that is the honest truth as to what I have heard lately.

Now, unless their is some medical evidence, I am unsure what is the real cuprit. This guy says he has not even used GH yet has the prego look but lean and with abs?!?!?

[Luv2Hurt]

Sounds like you're taking the right approach by not stuffing and gorging yourself any more...year after year of heavy hard eating can cause some unwanted distension.

One thing to keep in mind, year after years heavy lifting is also going to contribute to your stomach looking bigger...abs and obliques grow just like every other muscle...and when you're doing heavy military, deads and squats, nothing on earth will make them grow like those do.

BTW, I'd be shocked if 10wks of slin caused permanent enlargement of your stomach or organs.

Yeah heavy squats and leg presses have you really pushing on the abdominal wall.  you blow it up and it helps stabalize your spine, I find in the bottom of the leg press this is most pronounced.

[trab]

The more you guys age, the more critical low carbs and activity/ cardio is post cycle.
You'll put on gut fat there as you age even if you had the metabolism of a mongoose when younger.

If not really coming off 100% clean for long, I question the intelligence of "Cycling" at all.

I'm not saying stay on, but be realistic how long shit is actually clearing.
If your not clear, artificial stimulation w/ HCG is possibly better than letting levels drop to near zero for a time, then hopping right back on.

Totally clearing and reestablish Nat levels would be better, but take a realistic look at the buildup and clearance of what your on.

[rifat]

Any theories about the enlarged bellybutton?

[Big_Tymer]

Any theories about the enlarged bellybutton?

i would ask your actual medical doc about that.  and regarding enlarged guts, we didnt see this problem in bodybuilders until the mid-late 90s.  Isnt this the time slin and gh became widespread use?  Who knows if they are the culprit, I imagine years of eating 7+ meals a day could have some effect on it.

[busyB]

Any theories about the enlarged bellybutton?

That possibly could be a hernia. They usually are painless so you might not even know you have it. Simple 5 min. check from a doc.

I would suggest seeking out a good sports medicine doc. They usually double as a regular physician as well. I go to a guy here that has treated a lot of pro athletes as well as pro bodybuilders so he "understands what we do" 

[local hero]

ive got the exaxct same problem as u, and im only in my mid 20's... i just put it down to genes, lots of food and heavy lifting,,, with me my abbs have spread since my teens, where there was once a tight line down the middle u can now fit a finger inbetween, my belly button started to herniate last time i competed too... ive never touched insulin yet, off season ive ate well over 5000  and at one point over 7000cals per day for the past 10 yrs, which i think is the main culprit.. food alergies can cause excess bloating too,,

so for me id put it down to exsess food and food alergies, heavy compound exersizes and your genes... i dont think steroids or growth have much to do with it, possibly if your mega dosing on both which u werent

[StillTippin]

Any theories about the enlarged bellybutton?

Gotta go with busyB on this one.  I think that would be a hernia.  Markus Ruhl and Tom Prince both had nasty ones before they had them removed and I'm pretty sure I remember one if not both of them stating it was herniated.