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Don't help stray dogs!!
« on: December 14, 2007, 03:15:12 PM »
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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 03:37:38 PM »
woman at fault....dog gets destroyed.....makes sense

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 09:50:39 PM »
I'm sure the dog may have been aggressive for whatever reason...but shouldn't they have known that?  Why do people go into kennels with stray Rottweilers?  Why do people walk up to me while I walk Plato and ask if their dog can meet mine?

People in general just don't get it.  They just don't have dog manners, nor do they understand them.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2007, 04:57:38 AM »
woman at fault....dog gets destroyed.....makes sense

How is the woman at fault?

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2007, 07:58:53 AM »
How is the woman at fault?

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Would you go in a cage with a stray Rottweiler you know nothing about?

"Ms Wykeham said the dog would have been treated differently if she had known its background."

Just because you don't know its background doesn't make it safe. 

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2007, 10:27:47 AM »
Would you go in a cage with a stray Rottweiler you know nothing about?

"Ms Wykeham said the dog would have been treated differently if she had known its background."

Just because you don't know its background doesn't make it safe. 

She was told it was safe, it displayed no aggressive behaviour so say.


The authorities did tell her it was fine, it's not her bloody fault!

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2007, 10:29:00 AM »
It's her Job!!


She gets the fucking dog and fucking walks it! After they have been checked over by handlers!

Do you understand?

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2007, 10:33:22 AM »
Then whoever evaluated the dog should be fired and held liable.  To not know aggression and not temperament test a stray Rottweiler is idiotic.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2007, 11:00:41 AM »
Then whoever evaluated the dog should be fired and held liable.  To not know aggression and not temperament test a stray Rottweiler is idiotic.

Temperment testing only goes so far with strays.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2007, 11:04:01 AM »
Temperment testing only goes so far with strays.

They surely could have deemed the dog not safe to be handled by someone who isn't a professional.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2007, 11:35:10 AM »
They surely could have deemed the dog not safe to be handled by someone who isn't a professional.

maybe, maybe not.  shelters are usually not staffed by professionals.  they are usually just volunteers who just want to do some good for animals.  at least that is the way it is in my area.  strays are difficult to read becuase of the stress that they are in when brought to the shelter.  add into the equation that the person doing the temperment test may not pick up subtle signs of aggression

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2007, 02:57:31 PM »
It isn't the dogs "fault".  We can't blame the dog.  Whatever is the reason why he ended up the way he did, it is how he was raised.

The whole situation is bad all around.  Poorly evaluated dog, bad decision making by those in charge.  She just should have been smarter.  But yes the dog should have been put down after the events.  They obviously weren't prepared for a situation like that so they wouldn't be equipped to fix it.  It'd be impossible to place that Rottweiler for a ton of reasons.

It is just a shame that we won't even know for example "Well he was a fear biter", or "He was abused by men so he was terrified of them, developed fear aggression".  It is unknown.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2007, 08:31:47 PM »
really?  How so?  The woman didn't walk into an unknown dogs yard and get attacked, the dog had previously shown NO SIGNS of aggression when it was picked up or when it was evaluated.  How exactly was the woman at fault?

 The dog went into an unprovoked viscious attack, and you think the woman was at fault and the dog shouldn't of been put down?  Any dog that attacks someone like that should be put down.


If you were the woman who would you blame?  The dog, or the people who are in charge of telling you whether or not it is safe to approach the dog?

I seriously doubt the real scenario is the dog went from "...wanted to play and grabbed hold of her coat"(which I am sure is not the case, it was prolly aggressive from the git-go) to her getting attacked in a vicious manner.  It doesn't make sense.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2007, 05:19:55 AM »
hahaha I know dim wit, but you have missed the crucial part of the story!


There is uproar because the dog went through two tests so say to determine if it was safe! (not sure if that is mentioned tbh, if not apologies.)

Therefore she should be able to assume its safe? After all its not a wild animal.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2007, 05:21:03 AM »
Yes I agree with Flower.

How can this be her fault?

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2007, 08:03:21 AM »
If you were the woman who would you blame?  The dog, or the people who are in charge of telling you whether or not it is safe to approach the dog?

I seriously doubt the real scenario is the dog went from "...wanted to play and grabbed hold of her coat"(which I am sure is not the case, it was prolly aggressive from the git-go) to her getting attacked in a vicious manner.  It doesn't make sense.

I blame the previous owner and the dog, certainly not the woman as knny is.

Just like people, don't you think some animals are just born a bit messed in the head?  How come a person can't use the "I was abused as a kid" defense and get away with stuff like that?   Ever hear of a person that everyone liked and said was mild mannered suddenly go ballistic?  Yet an animal never does that?

  Come on. It seems the consensus around here is that every dog attack is never the dog's fault.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2007, 08:13:59 AM »
  Come on. It seems the consensus around here is that every dog attack is never the dog's fault.

When the dog was raised under the care of a human being, it isn't the dogs fault...barring any mental issue that makes the dog aggressive.  Not like, "the mother developed fear aggression so the pups were aggressive."  No, I mean like the mother was a little off her rocker from birth so a few of the pups came out the same way.  As in, a diagnosable mental issues.  There are dogs that are aggressive without the typical warning signs and sometimes the 'expert' answer is to put it down because either a) someone royally fucked that dog up somehow while raising it or b) it was born with a mental issue.  I just had the whole aggression discussion with two idiots in another threat that Knny locked thankfully, I don't care to do it again.

If a dog is aggressive, you can easily test for that when it is brought into a shelter, at least to the point of "It is 50/50, so stay away".  Not to mention its overall demeanor, anxiety, confidence level, posture, energy level, reaction to strange noises, etc etc etc. 

Someone screwed up.  People who work in shelters LOVE dogs, and most of them are volunteers.  I'd bet my life that this was a case of "Awwww you are so big and cute, I am going to come into your cage and pet you because 'Hey, if you aren't growling and snarling at me while I look at you, you aren't aggressive'".  I know plenty of absolute animal fanatics, even those who heavily support PETA, who really know nothing about how to act around a dog, albeit a strange one.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2007, 08:24:52 AM »
If it hadn't shown any sign of aggression prior to that it is not stupid to think that it would not launch that viscous of an attack unprovoked. They supposedly had no problems removing the dog from it's home, and no problems with it back at the shelter.  You would think it would of shown some sign of aggression when it was taken from it's home or when brought to the shelter.

  Based on that article I don't think that woman was at fault at all.

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Re: Don't help stray dogs!!
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2007, 09:49:54 AM »
keep the topic on track