do you mean PHARMA MED TECH? I used thier TEST CYP back in june, it was my first AAS cycle. There was a little strength gain but other than that there was very little results. In my opinion, doing your first AAS cycle, you wont notice shit. Youll have way better results doing a pro-hormone cycle. Ive been debating if i should grab another bottle of TEST and throw in some d-bol this time or just grab a bottle of D-DROL.