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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #125 on: December 23, 2008, 03:50:05 PM »
I was raised Catholic but now believe most religions as it is today is a bunch of garbage.

I believe in God, definately, but not organized religion as it is today.

uhhh I guess you don`t know a thing about the man.




 

Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear


    * The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2008


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Albert Einstein, pictured in 1953. Photograph: Ruth Orkin/Hulton Archive/Getty Images

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.

A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views.

Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, the document leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish superstitions".

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that the Jews are God's favoured people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

The letter will go on sale at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair on Thursday and is expected to fetch up to £8,000. The handwritten piece, in German, is not listed in the source material of the most authoritative academic text on the subject, Max Jammer's book Einstein and Religion.

One of the country's leading experts on the scientist, John Brooke of Oxford University, admitted he had not heard of it.

Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.

His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #126 on: December 23, 2008, 03:51:07 PM »
Einstein`s 1954 letter:



Einstein, as he says in his autobiographical notes, lost his religion at the age of 12, concluding that it was all a lie, and he never looked back.


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #127 on: December 23, 2008, 06:02:07 PM »
Told ya.

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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #128 on: December 23, 2008, 06:49:36 PM »
I don't think anyone bothers to read TA's cut and pasting. Another example of his intellectual laziness. But if I recall, Einstein consider himself a Pantheist. Loosely defined as the universe, nature, God -- all the same thing.

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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #129 on: December 23, 2008, 11:44:51 PM »
The Holy Bible:
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2009, 05:37:46 AM »
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=982


ROCHESTER, N.Y. – December 10, 2008 – That very large majorities of the American public believe in God, miracles, the survival of the soul after death, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the Virgin birth will come as no great surprise. What may be more surprising is that substantial minorities believe in ghosts, UFOs, witches, astrology, and the belief that they themselves were once other people. Overall, more people believe in the devil, hell and angels than believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution.

These are some of the results of The Harris Poll®, a new nationwide survey of 2,126 U.S. adults surveyed online between November 10 and 17, 2008 by Harris Interactive®.

Some of the interesting findings in this new Harris Poll include:

80% of adult Americans believe in God – unchanged since the last time we asked the question in 2005. Large majorities of the public believe in miracles (75%), heaven (73%), angels (71%), that Jesus is God or the Son of God (71%), the resurrection of Jesus (70%), the survival of the soul after death (68%), hell (62%), the Virgin birth (Jesus born of Mary (61%) and the devil (59%).
Slightly more people – but both are minorities – believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution (47%) than in creationism (40%).
Sizeable minorities believe in ghosts (44%), UFOs (36%), witches (31%), astrology (31%), and reincarnation (24%).
Differences between Catholics and Protestants

There are no significant differences between the large percentages of Catholics and Protestants who believe in God, miracles, heaven and hell, that Jesus is the Son of God, angels, the resurrection of Jesus, the survival of the soul after death, the Virgin birth and the devil.

However, Catholics are more likely than Protestants to believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution (by 52% to 32%), ghosts (by 57% to 41%), UFOs (by 43% to 31%), and astrology (by 40% to 28%). Protestants are slightly more likely than Catholics to believe in creationism (by 54% to 46%).

Which Religious Texts Are the "Word of God"

Slender majorities of all adults believe that all or most of the Old Testament (55%) and the New Testament (54%) are the "Word of God." However, only about a third of all adults (37% and 36%) believe that all of these texts are the word of God.

Interestingly, only 26% of all adults believe that the Torah is the word of God, even though it is the same as the first five books of the Old Testament. Presumably many people do not know this.

Religiosity and Religious Practice

Less than a quarter of Americans describe themselves are "very religious." However, a large majority (68%) describe themselves as either very (23%) or somewhat (45%) religious.

A quarter (27%) of adult Americans claim that they attend church once a week or more often, compared with 36% who say they attend less than once a year or never (18% each).

A Note on the Methodology Used and How It Affects the Results

Other research has shown that when replying to a question administered impersonally by a computer, people are less likely to say they believe in God, or attend Church services when they really don’t. It is generally believed that surveys conducted by live interviewers tend to exaggerate the numbers of people who report the socially desirable, or less embarrassing, behavior, and that the replies given to an online survey such as this, are more honest and therefore more accurate.


Methodology

This Harris Poll® was conducted online within the United States between November 10 and 17, 2008 among 2,126 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents’ propensity to be online.

All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.

Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated.

These statements conform to the principles of disclosure of the National Council on Public Polls.






Yeah, it's to bad people are taught inaccuracies. Hopefully they will come around and see what the Bible really teaches.:'(



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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2009, 05:41:15 AM »
Einstein`s 1954 letter:



Einstein, as he says in his autobiographical notes, lost his religion at the age of 12, concluding that it was all a lie, and he never looked back.



Too bad for him, however, the Bible says he will get second chance. ;) :)


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #132 on: March 01, 2009, 07:16:55 AM »
Yeah, it's funny how that bullshit works. You can be a great human being, but hey, you're going to hell if you don't believe.

Who defines a "great" human being?



Again, I don't believe in boogie men who will reward me with 72 virgins or heaven or everlasting life, or whatever those religions preach.

Let me put it to you this way....for the sake of argument, let's pretend god is real. I go thru life, doing everything in my power to be the best human being, and loving my fellow humans. If that is not enough for me to get into "heaven" then fuck it, I wouldn't want to be there with such a "god" anyways. I've known some pieces of shit, who "believed", and by that theory they are awaiting heaven and all its glory.

Makes no sense to me....

That "theory" is hardly validated in Scripture. In fact, it is smashed to bits, in 1 John 2:4, He who says "I know Him(the "Him, being Jesus Christ) and keepeth not the commandments is a liar and the truth is not in Him.

Furthermore, you don't earn eternal life; hence, the reason it's called a GIFT. And your scenario of "doing everything in your power to be the best human being....." is one that Jesus addressed in the parable of the unmerciful servant. This guys was forgiven of a massive debt, that he had no chance in hell of paying back (his family, generations down the line, couldn't have done that). Yet, he didn't forgive his friend who owed him 100 denarii (roughly $18-$20) and had him thrown in debtors' prison. When the master learned of this, he was ENRAGED and threw that unmerciful servant in jail.

The point: When you are "doing everything in your power to be good.......", you are showing kindness and mercy to your fellow man. God expects that, based on the kindness and mercy He has shown to you. Jesus even mentioned this after the verses that make up the famous "Lord's Prayer". He stated that if we forgive people of their sins; He will forgive us. But, if we don't forgive; our Heavenly father will not forgive us.

BTW, for those of you who "believe"....how the hell do you know your religion is the right one, and your "god" is the one to follow?

Speaking for myself, I know from personal experience, historical research, and faith.


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #133 on: March 01, 2009, 01:34:07 PM »
mother teresa did some terrible stuff... not hitler level but she was no saint... christopher hitchens has some good work on this.


I wonder if it compares to Manasseh, he was one of the wickedest kings in Judah? Also, the Japanesse were not to kind to Korean women and children, even Hitler shook his head at them.


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Re: I don`t forsee much Hope for AMERICA in the future. Here is why:........
« Reply #134 on: March 01, 2009, 02:02:28 PM »

Let me put it to you this way....for the sake of argument, let's pretend god is real. I go thru life, doing everything in my power to be the best human being, and loving my fellow humans. If that is not enough for me to get into "heaven" then o well, I wouldn't want to be there with such a "god" anyways.
There is a lot of false teachings about the Bible. I don't blame people for having this opinion. Maybe if you looked into what the Bible really teaches, it could help your viewpoint.  :)

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BTW, for those of you who "believe"....how the hell do you know your religion is the right one, and your "god" is the one to follow?

It has to conform to the teachings of the Bible. One of the most important things that Jesus said regarding the "true religion" was this: "By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35).

There is so much more on how to identify the "true religion". If you would like I can PM you the rest.  :)


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