my theory... you lose muscle when dieting not because of not enough calories but

[Shawdow]

because of not getting enough protein, as long as you get 1 gram per pound, you will be fine
what do you guys think?

[tonymctones]

your still gonna lose some muscle and some strength but definitly keep the protein high to help combat it.

[The Nub Monster]

Or on the other hand if you actually know what you are doing, you can gain muscle whilst dieting!

[tbombz]

thats true to a point. 

[The Nub Monster]

thats true to a point. 

It is tbombz; if you eat the right mix of foods and macronutrients for your body, utilize the correct chemicals/protocols for what you require and work sensibly in the gym you will gain muscle.

I appreciate getting all factors correct when dieting is a complicated and somewhat tricky business but if you do, dieting will be much more productive.

[tbombz]

It is tbombz; if you eat the right mix of foods and macronutrients for your body, utilize the correct chemicals/protocols for what you require and work sensibly in the gym you will gain muscle.

I appreciate getting all factors correct when dieting is a complicated and somewhat tricky business but if you do, dieting will be much more productive.

i agree, one could gain quite a bit of muscle while losing fat

but to lose fat at the fastest posisble rate, then one wont be gaining any noticeable amount of muscle

[Pete Nice]

i agree, one could gain quite a bit of muscle while losing fat

but to lose fat at the fastest posisble rate, then one wont be gaining any noticeable amount of muscle

what's your best recommendation on how to do this candy??

[YoungBlood]

I think it's sort of a "bigger picture" situation, and not any one particular piece of the equation.

A friend of mine used to bulk up and eat as much as possible. He'd hit 215 with ease. Lift heavy, no cardio, and lots of protein. Then latter on he'd cut up, by eating the same protein, little to no carbs, doing 2hrs of cardio and lifting dinky ass weights that would make a fitness bunny laugh.
He would lose muscle because he wouldn't be using it. Even with consuming equal or even more protein, he'd lose muscle.
In comparison, I've never really lost muscle when dieting, for I feel several reasons. Sure I lose a bit of strength, but after you're doing an 8hr work day, an hour of weights, another hour of cardio and getting 6-7hrs of sleep/night, after a spell you will lose strength to some degree. But if you squat 315/8 and you're suddenly doing 225/4...there's something more to it than protein or carbs!
I think the key is to lift the same weights year round. There is no reason to lift lighter because you're cutting up. If you can squat 315/8 while bulking, then try it for 6-8 when cutting up. Don't squat 275/4 just because you want to get leaner. Constantly fight against what your body wants to do- homeostasis- and force your body to adapt while dieting to heavy weights.
Like the old saying goes "Use it or lose it." Another; "if you can lift 400lbs, why even attempt 200lbs after your warm up? Lift what you can."

[Pete Nice]

I think it's sort of a "bigger picture" situation, and not any one particular piece of the equation.

A friend of mine used to bulk up and eat as much as possible. He'd hit 215 with ease. Lift heavy, no cardio, and lots of protein. Then latter on he'd cut up, by eating the same protein, little to no carbs, doing 2hrs of cardio and lifting dinky ass weights that would make a fitness bunny laugh.
He would lose muscle because he wouldn't be using it. Even with consuming equal or even more protein, he'd lose muscle.
In comparison, I've never really lost muscle when dieting, for I feel several reasons. Sure I lose a bit of strength, but after you're doing an 8hr work day, an hour of weights, another hour of cardio and getting 6-7hrs of sleep/night, after a spell you will lose strength to some degree. But if you squat 315/8 and you're suddenly doing 225/4...there's something more to it than protein or carbs!
I think the key is to lift the same weights year round. There is no reason to lift lighter because you're cutting up. If you can squat 315/8 while bulking, then try it for 6-8 when cutting up. Don't squat 275/4 just because you want to get leaner. Constantly fight against what your body wants to do- homeostasis- and force your body to adapt while dieting to heavy weights.
Like the old saying goes "Use it or lose it." Another; "if you can lift 400lbs, why even attempt 200lbs after your warm up? Lift what you can."

good post agree completely...I've also always felt that people give high volume/lighter weight training too much credit for caloric expedenture

[tbombz]

what's your best recommendation on how to do this candy??

which one , losing fat as fast as possible or gainign muscle while losing fat ?

and i assume you know that i am refering to drug use, along with diet