What should be done about North Korea?

[kcballer]

Knowing what we know about the despotic regime in North Korea (DPRK) and the brutality inflicted on the people who live there. 

http://www.icasinc.org/2003/2003l/2003lchr.html

Are we under a moral obligation having labeled them a part of the axis of evil and having invaded a member of that axis, to liberate these people as well? 

It would seem to me that the leadership of North Korea and the inflicted pain and suffering of the people is on a much grander scale than Saddam Hussein's terrible regime.

Thoughts?

[kcballer]

Silence meaning we should do nothing?  Or perhaps you are reading and watching to gain a picture of the country itself.

One day i would very much like to visit there.  Once the reign of terror is over.  I imagine there are some very nice mountains i could climb and ski down without a single person near me for thousands on miles. 

[Fury]

Silence meaning we should do nothing?  Or perhaps you are reading and watching to gain a picture of the country itself.

One day i would very much like to visit there.  Once the reign of terror is over.  I imagine there are some very nice mountains i could climb and ski down without a single person near me for thousands on miles.  

Why should we do anything? How about Europe pulls their weight and does it. The EU wants to be a major player on the world stage and consider themselves our equals. Time to act like that and not defer everything to the US.  

[kcballer]

Why should we do anything? How about Europe pulls their weight and does it. The EU wants to be a major player on the world stage and consider themselves our equals. Time to act like that and not defer everything to the US.  

So we are under no obligation to protect our allies in south Korea and Japan? 

[Soul Crusher]

So we are under no obligation to protect our allies in south Korea and Japan? 

    

All of a sudden the liberals want to race to war. 

[Fury]

So we are under no obligation to protect our allies in south Korea and Japan?  

What we do now is fine. We don't need to lead yet another charge to overthrow a totalitarian regime while the rest of the world, specifically Europe, sits back and tries to throw their 2 cents in without actually contributing much of anything.

How about the US sits back and provides the support, for once? The UN, the glorious and "relevant" organization that they think are, can take the lead with the EU spearheading it. See how quickly anything gets done then.  

[kcballer]

   

All of a sudden the liberals want to race to war. 

I never said we should go to war did i?  I asked for thoughts on what we should do.  BF thinks we should stick with sanctions and political pressure.  What do you think 333? 

[Fury]

I never said we should go to war did i?  I asked for thoughts on what we should do.  BF thinks we should stick with sanctions and political pressure.  What do you think 333? 

I personally don't care about North Korea beyond the fact that much like the terrorist state of Pakistan, who was caught red-handed selling nuclear weapon building technology to the Libyans, they seem willing to sell nuclear tech to whoever has the biggest check book.

[kcballer]

I personally don't care about North Korea beyond the fact that much like the terrorist state of Pakistan, who was caught red-handed selling nuclear weapon building technology to the Libyans, they seem willing to sell nuclear tech to whoever has the biggest check book.

You don't hold any sympathy for the people oppressed? 

[Soul Crusher]

I never said we should go to war did i?  I asked for thoughts on what we should do.  BF thinks we should stick with sanctions and political pressure.  What do you think 333? 

Its not easy because South Korea is so close and major cities are in distance of getting wiped out. 

If I had my choice, I would do what Reagan did to Qudafi. 

[Fury]

You don't hold any sympathy for the people oppressed?  

Sure, their situation sucks but they're not the only ones in the world like that. There are millions of starving Africans, about 10 armed conflicts going on down there, child soldiers, mass rape as a tool of war, genocide, and a host of other problems but I doubt any one of the bleeding hearts "human rights" crusaders could name even 5 of those 10 conflicts. 1.5 million people died in the Darfur genocide and the president of Islamic Sudan is wanted for war crimes yet he was just elected to another 5 year term. Does that bother you? Is that because those conflicts are not romantic enough?

Same shit goes on in multiple places in the Middle East. How come you don't feel any sympathy for the increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries and instead choose to call people islamophobes when they bring it up? Turkey has been genociding the people of Kurdistan for decades now. Is that not romantic enough?

Even ignoring places like Africa or the Middle East or whatever, the North Koreans aren't even the only oppressed group in Asia, for that matter.

[kcballer]

Sure, their situation sucks but they're not the only ones in the world like that. There are millions of starving Africans, about 10 armed conflicts going on down there, child soldiers, mass rape as a tool of war, genocide, and a host of other problems but I doubt any one of the bleeding hearts "human rights" crusaders could name even 5 of those 10 conflicts. Is that because those conflicts are not romantic enough?

Same shit goes on in multiple places in the Middle East. How come you don't feel any sympathy for the increasing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries and instead choose to call people islamophobes when they bring it up? Turkey has been genociding the people of Kurdistan for decades now. Is that not romantic enough?

Even ignoring places like Africa or the Middle East or whatever, the North Koreans aren't even the only oppressed group in Asia, for that matter.

I don't ignore other plights or world issues needing sympathy. 

I am sympathetic to those forced into anything or not allowed to practice their beliefs, be they Christians persecuting Muslims or vice versa.   

I do call you an islamaphobe because BF you talk only of the horrible deeds committed by Muslim's.  How can anyone not draw that conclusion when all you do is attack the religion. 

There is nothing 'romantic' about north korea and it was named an axis of evil by one of our presidents.  He invaded one of those countries under false pretenses.  Yet the two most dangerous remain free.  Should we correct that mistake with war or sanctions.  or something else?

[Fury]

I don't ignore other plights or world issues needing sympathy. 

I am sympathetic to those forced into anything or not allowed to practice their beliefs, be they Christians persecuting Muslims or vice versa.   

I do call you an islamaphobe because BF you talk only of the horrible deeds committed by Muslim's.  How can anyone not draw that conclusion when all you do is attack the religion. 

There is nothing 'romantic' about north korea and it was named an axis of evil by one of our presidents.  He invaded one of those countries under false pretenses.  Yet the two most dangerous remain free.  Should we correct that mistake with war or sanctions.  or something else?

I don't think much more can be done than sanctions. The North Koreans might talk tough, but they know that South Korea has the might of the US military backing it so they're not going to be stupid enough to attack them. And as long as the Chinese sit there and refuse to even condemn their actions, let alone do anything to stop them, nothing will change.

[Eyeball Chambers]

It would seem to me that the leadership of North Korea and the inflicted pain and suffering of the people is on a much grander scale than Saddam Hussein's terrible regime.

Yes, no doubt!

[George Whorewell]

We should do absolutely nothing.

Just like we are doing nothing in Iran.

Both countries are dictatorships run by monsters. One is an Islamofacist state. The other is Communist. They should continue dealing in arms and enriching Uranium with one another. We don't want the United States to be too proactive. As we have seen during the Obama administration, diplomacy, appeasement and empty threats are great ways to deal with rouge states intent on using Nuclear weapons.

Let's just hope China feels like doing something.

[240 is Back]

We should do absolutely nothing.

Just like we are doing nothing in Iran.

Both countries are dictatorships run by monsters. One is an Islamofacist state. The other is Communist. They should continue dealing in arms and enriching Uranium with one another. We don't want the United States to be too proactive. As we have seen during the Obama administration, diplomacy, appeasement and empty threats are great ways to deal with rouge states intent on using Nuclear weapons.

Let's just hope China feels like doing something.

Obama is just going to do what bush did on NK, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran.

He's just reading his morning email telling him what to do.

[MRDUMPLING]

Allies?  This concept is a joke as we always to do it all.  Period.

If we stuck to the Constitution we wouldn't have this problem.  Jefferson said, "We are to have commerce with all and alliances with none."  It was to prevent us from being in situations that we are now.  Sympathetic?  Sure, but there was a time when this country overthrew the greatest military in the world.  People need to quit wining about other countries because if they really wanted to they change things in their own damn country.  They need to take a little personal responsibility for the way things are in their country just like we are responsible for the shit storm that we have in our country right now. 

Rant over.

[George Whorewell]

Obama is just going to do what bush did on NK, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran.

He's just reading his morning email telling him what to do.

Uhhh Hello-- Earth to 240

Bush and Obama have had 180 degree differences in dealing with Iran+ NK.

[kcballer]

We should do absolutely nothing.

Just like we are doing nothing in Iran.

Both countries are dictatorships run by monsters. One is an Islamofacist state. The other is Communist. They should continue dealing in arms and enriching Uranium with one another. We don't want the United States to be too proactive. As we have seen during the Obama administration, diplomacy, appeasement and empty threats are great ways to deal with rouge states intent on using Nuclear weapons.

Let's just hope China feels like doing something.

I didn't see anything from the previous admin other than rhetoric and appeasement.  Heck they set off the first nuclear test in their history and nothing other than strong words were done.  So please by all means mock the current admin but in doing so remember the exact same thing had been done by the previous admin who happened to invade the country from the axis that posed the least threat to our security.  

[kcballer]

http://www.mahablog.com/oldsite/id34.html

Some background on Bush and North Korea. 

Yeah Obama is doing way worse with them on this 

Even the South Koreans realize that the way towards unification is through a more equal standing between north and south.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.mahablog.com/oldsite/id34.html

Some background on Bush and North Korea. 

Yeah Obama is doing way worse with them on this 

Even the South Koreans realize that the way towards unification is through a more equal standing between north and south.

sort of what Obama is doing with us? 

Make us be poorer and a worse standard of living to be like the communists? 

[kcballer]

sort of what Obama is doing with us? 

Make us be poorer and a worse standard of living to be like the communists? 

hahaha your CT's are hilarious 333. 

[Fury]

We should do absolutely nothing.

Just like we are doing nothing in Iran.

Both countries are dictatorships run by monsters. One is an Islamofacist state. The other is Communist. They should continue dealing in arms and enriching Uranium with one another. We don't want the United States to be too proactive. As we have seen during the Obama administration, diplomacy, appeasement and empty threats are great ways to deal with rouge states intent on using Nuclear weapons.

Let's just hope China feels like doing something.

[240 is Back]

help me out on this - what are bush and obama doing differently on NK?

I thought they set off nukes and promised to nuke cali, and we just ignored it under bush.  What is O doing diffeerntly?

[MRDUMPLING]

Allies?  This concept is a joke as we always to do it all.  Period.

If we stuck to the Constitution we wouldn't have this problem.  Jefferson said, "We are to have commerce with all and alliances with none."  It was to prevent us from being in situations that we are now.  Sympathetic?  Sure, but there was a time when this country overthrew the greatest military in the world.  People need to quit wining about other countries because if they really wanted to they change things in their own damn country.  They need to take a little personal responsibility for the way things are in their country just like we are responsible for the shit storm that we have in our country right now. 

Rant over.

There's your answer right there folks.