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Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« on: September 13, 2010, 02:28:21 PM »
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RVD = CAREER PISSANT. NASH = nWo.
 
Kevin Nash didn’t just speak for himself.
 
Nash spoke for the TNA locker room.
 
Nash didn’t work a shoot at Jason Hervey’s request. That story “leaked” in a vain attempt to minimize locker-room heat. The sun hasn’t come up on a day when Nash takes anything Hervey says seriously.
 
Nash got it right.
 
Was Rob Van Dam EVER involved a big-money program? Not even close. Nash was involved in a program that drew big money and revolutionized the business. Helped book it, too. For RVD to refer to himself as a “rock star” while belittling the older, “jealous” wrestlers in TNA was a gratuitous insult, and gratuitously delusional.
 
Nash, jealous of RVD? HA! RVD, recognized while walking through Disneyland? I’d have to see it to believe it.
 
What’s going on right now in TNA makes the end of WCW look like a Swiss watch. RVD = career pissant. Kevin Nash = nWo.
 
I’m of the impression Nash would be welcome for one more run in WWE. Nash should do it. If nobodies like RVD can dump on him with no accountability from TNA management, TNA isn’t worth it. Not even when Nash makes more than RVD. He does, you know. JACKPOT!
 
You almost feel sorry RVD involved Jeff Hardy in his on-line tirade. Hardy didn’t invite retaliatory invective like RVD did, but here goes: Besides awaiting trial, Hardy is a bloated, grotesque self-parody who has proven nothing in TNA except that he needs WWE’s machine to get over. At one point recently, it appeared his brother Matt had swallowed him.
 
I used to really like the Hardys. But time seems ready to reveal them as a couple overrated BS artists who buy their own Internet hype.
 
ISN’T JIMMY VALIANT AVAILABLE?
 
Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley? It says a lot about Flair’s peerless mic skills that he’s getting so much promo time in TNA. It says a lot about TNA’s clueless booking that Flair, at 61, is being asked to carry a match against a crippled, overweight stuntman. I bet Flair can do it. But why should he?
 
You know when bookers play off real-life heat? When they’re too lazy and/or not creative enough to book storyline heat.


LET SNOOKI BOOK!
 
Several years ago at a Pittsburgh indie, I saw a teenage kid from New Jersey work. Good physique, solid work, definite prospect. Rob Eckos.
 
TNA has signed Eckos and is casting him and a valet in a “Jersey Shore” gimmick. Wait a minute – a gimmick that actually references something CURRENT? How will TNA juxtapose that to EV2? The nWo? The Four Horsemen? Hulk Hogan?
 
Point is, Eckos is good. He deserves this shot. But it reminds me of when WCW debuted Three Count in the middle of the boy band craze. *N Sync and the Backstreet Boys were HUGE. But WCW half-assed Three Count, so Three Count failed. Jersey Shore is HUGE. TNA can’t half-ass Eckos.
 
But TNA will. This gimmick deserves a big push. It won’t get it.
 
Shame, too. TNA should phase out all but a few big-money contracts – Kurt Angle is ALWAYS worth keeping – and go with a smaller, low-budget, relatively anonymous crew. Develop stars, don’t recycle them.
 
TNA could produce exactly the same TV rating with that kind of roster. Same meager PPV buyrates, too. Costs would diminish. So would losses. TNA might get some mileage out of being the little engine that could. You can’t be the little engine that could when you’ve got Hogan limping to the ring. You’re the little engine that used to.
 
Only one thing could make the TNA picture complete: DDMe!
 
Is there any doubt that Dixie Carter is the dumbest promoter in pro wrestling history? She makes Paul Alperstein look like Sam Muchnick.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 07:45:34 PM »
True words.
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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 08:10:38 PM »
Fuck Nash.  Met the guy and he's a first class prick who just rode Scott Hall's nuts in the nWo.  Hall is what carried the entire angle.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2010, 08:20:29 PM »
Fuck Nash.  Met the guy and he's a first class prick who just rode Scott Hall's nuts in the nWo.  Hall Hogan is what carried the entire angle.
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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »
Fuck Nash.  Met the guy and he's a first class prick who just rode Scott Hall's nuts in the nWo.  Hall is what carried the entire angle.


Several claims indicate that Hall used to feed Nash some of his lines during promos.

Hall never struck me as much of a "people person."
I'm not sure why, but I just got that vibe from him.

He is intelligent & quite well-spoken, though.
I remember when FOX interviewed him regarding the Benoit story.
He articulated some sound ideas quite effectively - especially considering the interviewer was trying to set him up.


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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 04:37:34 AM »
You almost wonder why Vince put Nash & Shawn together the first time.
Was it meant to get Nash over, or was it to get HBK over more?

Shawn had other people around him more often than not:
Jannetty
Sherri
Diesel
Sid
Lethario
D-X


I also don't think it's entirely fair to place the full blame on Nash, but I always thought that the Diesel character was on the lame side.
The “Big Sexy” persona was much cooler and seemed more over with the fans.
But, even then - as Timmy suggests - Nash’s best work always seemed to be with Hall.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 05:11:05 AM »

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2010, 04:54:39 PM »


I also don't think it's entirely fair to place the full blame on Nash, but I always thought that the Diesel character was on the lame side.
The “Big Sexy” persona was much cooler and seemed more over with the fans.
But, even then - as Timmy suggests - Nash’s best work always seemed to be with Hall.

What about Vinnie Vegas?  :D
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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2010, 05:10:34 PM »
What about Vinnie Vegas?  :D


IIRC, that was around the time Hall was placed with DDP as "The Diamond Stud."

If you'd told me back then that either of those two would go on to be a part of one of wrestling's biggest angles & highest-paid workers, I probably would have said, "Sure they will... right behind 'Stunning' Steve Austin." ::)

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 05:57:10 AM »
Hall took a gimmick that nobody would have predicted would be as big as it was, Razor Ramone, and made it huge.  Nash just jumps from one nut sack to the next.....his most impressive move is the corner hair-flip.....

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 06:30:46 AM »
Hall took a gimmick that nobody would have predicted would be as big as it was, Razor Ramone, and made it huge.  Nash just jumps from one nut sack to the next.....his most impressive move is the corner hair-flip.....
Hall and Nash made their biggest money and earned their biggest fame in WCW in the NWO angle. That was the biggest money angle I have ever seen. DId you see how hostle the crowd got at Bash at the Beach when Hogan turned heel? People actually tried to storm the ring but Hall & Nash put the boots (for real) to the fans which was cut off TV.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 10:13:43 AM »
Hall and Nash made their biggest money and earned their biggest fame in WCW in the NWO angle. That was the biggest money angle I have ever seen. DId you see how hostle the crowd got at Bash at the Beach when Hogan turned heel? People actually tried to storm the ring but Hall & Nash put the boots (for real) to the fans which was cut off TV.

Oh, no doubt that the nWo was way over and a huge draw.....I still think Hall did the backbone of the work. 

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 10:57:55 AM »
Oh, no doubt that the nWo was way over and a huge draw.....I still think Hall did the backbone of the work. 
He always got a good reaction from the crowd and did his best work as a heel.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 09:05:41 PM »
Who thinks nWo would have been the same draw had Hogan not turned heel?
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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 03:46:01 AM »
Who thinks nWo would have been the same draw had Hogan not turned heel?


What kind of money would they have drawn with Lex Luger at the helm (as they'd originally planned)?

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 05:03:54 AM »

What kind of money would they have drawn with Lex Luger at the helm (as they'd originally planned)?
Funny thing is that the third member of the NWO was supposed to be Bret Hart but he didn't leave the WWE and signed a contract extention at the time.

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Re: Mark Madden fires back at RVD & defends Nash:
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2010, 05:27:56 AM »
I had to do a paper in my Sports Law class a few yrs ago and I actually did it on the whole WCW vs WWE in regards to the nWo.  Originally the plan was going to be a joint venture between the two.  Things fell apart and at the last minute WCW decided since they already had Hall, and Nash was coming among others, that they would just go ahead with the angle.  I wish I remembered more details, but it was 8 yrs ago and too many Steveweises to recall......I'll see if I can locate it.