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Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« on: May 14, 2023, 10:51:38 AM »
Does Erdogan remain in power? Early exit poll results showed him ahead almost 60% and now state news is saying he’s a bit above 50% but an independent firm shows the opposition party up by three points. Is the steal in? Who are we to believe? Any Turkish getbiggers here (or Germans, since you’re all gonna be Turkish soon anyway)?

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2023, 11:50:44 AM »
Good question. I recorded a documentary on Erdogan from BBC4 the other night (about the only BBC channel that sometimes has some good documentaries/biographies on.) From what I could gather: the fucker has to constantly stay in power hence his grasping for consistutional changes to allow the office of President more power than Prime Minister and possibly consolidate the two. It was really interesting watching it, tbh. Due to his money laundering of 30 million dollars in that taped/leaked call by the Galenists faction which he once needed to get in power with - he's had to kind of go autocratic full blown asswipe on his political enemies. He's previously done a Putin and just switched jobs due to term limits of 3 terms for Prime Minister. Not sure what his next move is. Some news sites saying leading some saying losing slightly behind. I can't personally see him losing because if he loses he's losing more than a job it's gonna be his freedom and possibly life.

If he loses - it's jail time for him and his son, Bilal, by the sounds of that phone call and other shit he's got up to - unless somehow he's got some underhanded deal with the new power where he gets pardoned or whatever for past issues. Last I heard it's not looking too good for him. The doc also mentioned that he eliminated watermarks on the last elections a few years ago - or whatever system they had in place in order to scam some more votes in. LOL.


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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2023, 01:08:16 PM »
Erdogan is wonderful.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2023, 01:15:37 PM »
Good question. I recorded a documentary on Erdogan from BBC4 the other night (about the only BBC channel that sometimes has some good documentaries/biographies on.) From what I could gather: the fucker has to constantly stay in power hence his grasping for consistutional changes to allow the office of President more power than Prime Minister and possibly consolidate the two. It was really interesting watching it, tbh. Due to his money laundering of 30 million dollars in that taped/leaked call by the Galenists faction which he once needed to get in power with - he's had to kind of go autocratic full blown asswipe on his political enemies. He's previously done a Putin and just switched jobs due to term limits of 3 terms for Prime Minister. Not sure what his next move is. Some news sites saying leading some saying losing slightly behind. I can't personally see him losing because if he loses he's losing more than a job it's gonna be his freedom and possibly life.

If he loses - it's jail time for him and his son, Bilal, by the sounds of that phone call and other shit he's got up to - unless somehow he's got some underhanded deal with the new power where he gets pardoned or whatever for past issues. Last I heard it's not looking too good for him. The doc also mentioned that he eliminated watermarks on the last elections a few years ago - or whatever system they had in place in order to scam some more votes in. LOL.


I think this is the same with all of these dudes who stay in power too long. What’s the old adage? It’s like holding a wolf by the ears. You don’t like it, but you don’t dare let it go. Fuckers like him know once they leave office, the opposition will jail them or a mob will kill them.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2023, 09:04:14 PM »
He is a complex figure, remarkably cunning, and an indisputable political genius devoid of any moral compass. He exemplifies the USA's tendency to support despotic regimes in the name of political expediency. Turkey had a chance to modernize under the leadership of Ataturk, a strong, reform-minded leader. Although Atatürk was an advocate for secularism, his ambitions were curbed due to the deeply ingrained religious beliefs of the majority of Turkish citizens, many of whom were rural, traditional, and deeply committed to Islam. As a progressive leader, he made strides in secularizing the country, but his efforts were unfortunately curtailed due to his premature death at age 57, due to alcoholism and never resting.
His vision was most appreciated by the urbanized Turks who had a better understanding of his modernizing reforms. However, his early departure resulted in a struggle to fully secure the impressive headstart he had initiated.
Foreign states often support pro-Islamic or populist leaders in Turkey. The nation is dynamic, characterized by an energetic and hardworking populace. However, it often lacks intellectual depth and vision, perhaps due to its long history of military might and imperial rule, which could have fostered an overconfidence that doesn't necessarily promote critical thinking or innovation. Traits such as self-assurance and pride are never lacking in Turks, Russians, and Persians. However, while these nations are undoubtedly in a more advanced state than many former colonies, I believe they sometimes exhibit a shallow understanding of world politics and their own place in the global context. The British, on the other hand, often view the pride of these aforementioned nations as misplaced or vain.
There is a belief that Turkic tribes embraced Islam under the force of Arab conquest. Atatürk provided an opportunity for Turkey to break from this historical influence and choose a path towards modernity and secularism. However, a predominantly rural and traditional population often struggles with such a dramatic shift.
All in all, as a Turk who immigrated to Canada, I have a rather bleak outlook on Turkey. Nevertheless, I can confidently say that Turks possess certain qualities that could be beneficial to Europe. They are practical, moderate in their practice of Islam, and have a history distinct from the typical narratives associated with the Middle East. Their work ethic can be compared to that of Italians or Greeks, albeit they are among the most hardworking nations in the world.
I really believe a nation who is willing to kill and die for its independence is worth respect, and not many nations are on that level.
 If Atatürk had been able to fully realize his vision, Turkey might have become one of the few truly secular states in the region and a success story for others to follow.
Erdogan is a scum and even he wins, he won't last long, he is even more frail then Biden.
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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2023, 09:54:57 PM »


My biggest concern with whomever takes over after Erdogan is not their religious/secular leanings, more so than their ability to screw Europe, further, as Erdogan has threatened to do on many occasions via allowing hordes of economic migrants through to head up North.

The more I learn about Turkey as a place, the more I think that you're right about it being different and a possible vision for the future of secular Islam; although the political landscape and the whole Kurd issues in the South and various tribe issues seems to be just like the Balkanisation issues that were occuring in Eastern Europe in the 1990's. Non-homogenous societies with their own ethnocentric in-group preferences can be troublesome to nations especially when you bring hardline religious differences into it. It's a balancing act and politicians always seem to try to play both sides - whereas the fundamental side always wants its own system and state.

I wasn't aware about this Ataturk guy prior to Erdogan. I suppose my knowledge is nowhere near your level but I'll definitely be paying more attention to that nation in the future as I'm very worried about the state of my beautiful Europe and its people. 100% of the blame for this goes to the NeoCon Jewish/Israeli Lobby that's running the USA and UN

I hope your motherland can prosper and do well for itself, btw. Any people that loves and treats its street cats + dogs the way Turkey does is surely a good people. The Turkish phenotypes seem to be different with their own distinct look, also. There's definitely something different about them. Nothing worse than seeing your nation ruined or ruled by asswipes.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2023, 10:53:21 PM »

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2023, 12:17:04 AM »
Yes

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2023, 03:41:14 AM »
This thread has been interesting to read. I do not know Turkey well but have loved everything about my couple visits. One expression that struck me was:  “non-homogeneous”. Coming from one of the most “non-homogeneous” nations in the world (USA), what saddens me in modern day visits to the Middle East is how “homogeneous” the nations of the region are actually becoming. When I read any novels or non-fiction dealing with that part of the world from 50 or 100 years ago (including North Africa), a story of a mosaic of complexity and diversity is written large. That seems to be slowly disappearing and, where non-homogeneity is still present, there seems to be nothing but conflict or trouble: Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Yemen, Iraq, the Kurdish issues in Turkey which you cite, and on and on. Stability seems to only emerge when complexity subsides, with those on the outs fleeing to neighborhoods like mine in the West. Sad to me.

Erdogan is certainly representative of the drive toward ever more and more homogeneity.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2023, 03:55:29 AM »
This thread has been interesting to read. I do not know Turkey well but have loved everything about my couple visits.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2023, 01:53:47 PM »
This thread has been interesting to read. I do not know Turkey well but have loved everything about my couple visits. One expression that struck me was:  “non-homogeneous”. Coming from one of the most “non-homogeneous” nations in the world (USA), what saddens me in modern day visits to the Middle East is how “homogeneous” the nations of the region are actually becoming. When I read any novels or non-fiction dealing with that part of the world from 50 or 100 years ago (including North Africa), a story of a mosaic of complexity and diversity is written large. That seems to be slowly disappearing and, where non-homogeneity is still present, there seems to be nothing but conflict or trouble: Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Yemen, Iraq, the Kurdish issues in Turkey which you cite, and on and on. Stability seems to only emerge when complexity subsides, with those on the outs fleeing to neighborhoods like mine in the West. Sad to me.

Erdogan is certainly representative of the drive toward ever more and more homogeneity.

Turkey is the only Islamic country I'd even consider visiting. A lot of people I know are obsessed with visiting Dubai every now and then; and I don't see the appeal. A place built without a damn sewage infrastructure so they have to bus in cesspit trucks on a weekly basis to extract shit from the skyscrapers. Just LOL.
Turkey has a culture and history with what appears to be wonderful people by the way they treat animals. You're absolutely right with regard to problems with non-homogenous nations and regions descending into chaos, ultimately. The Bosnia thing is a prime example. India and Pakistan way before that.

Wouldn't it be great if aliens turned up and we can get this sky wizard shit behind humanity, once and for all? Saying that - the fundamentalists will just call them 'demons' or 'fallen angels' and we'll be going round in circles. Anyway - I do really want to visit Turkey when my leg is fully healed/fixed.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2023, 01:54:59 PM »
Get your suit alterations from a Turkish tailor.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2023, 01:59:07 PM »

But the best of all : Turks control access to the Black Sea  :D

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2023, 02:02:23 PM »
Turkey is the only Islamic country I'd even consider visiting. A lot of people I know are obsessed with visiting Dubai every now and then; and I don't see the appeal. A place built without a damn sewage infrastructure so they have to bus in cesspit trucks on a weekly basis to extract shit from the skyscrapers. Just LOL.
Turkey has a culture and history with what appears to be wonderful people by the way they treat animals. You're absolutely right with regard to problems with non-homogenous nations and regions descending into chaos, ultimately. The Bosnia thing is a prime example. India and Pakistan way before that.

Wouldn't it be great if aliens turned up and we can get this sky wizard shit behind humanity, once and for all? Saying that - the fundamentalists will just call them 'demons' or 'fallen angels' and we'll be going round in circles. Anyway - I do really want to visit Turkey when my leg is fully healed/fixed.

Turks are great people. Jordan is another nation where I felt lots of welcome and great vibes (years ago), and I live in an area with lots of Palestinians by way of Jordan here in US, great neighbors for the most part although I get tired of all the hookah lounges. No interest is sky-scraper Dubai or Oxygen Gym Kuwait although I appreciate the help the Kuwaiti schmoes provide to US bodybuilding. Recently in Egypt. Wow, what a history and what visuals! Although you get hit up for money and tips every move you make in Egypt.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2023, 02:14:46 PM »
Turks are great people. Jordan is another nation where I felt lots of welcome and great vibes (years ago), and I live in an area with lots of Palestinians by way of Jordan here in US, great neighbors for the most part although I get tired of all the hookah lounges. No interest is sky-scraper Dubai or Oxygen Gym Kuwait although I appreciate the help the Kuwaiti schmoes provide to US bodybuilding. Recently in Egypt. Wow, what a history and what visuals! Although you get hit up for money and tips every move you make in Egypt.

I've been Egypt to pay my respects at Luxor because of the Luxor massacre - it was an emotional visit for me and really screwed my head up being hassled on a journey that I really wanted to be not bothered. I hated the people. Absolutely despise haggling culture and being hassled every 50ft. It's very difficult because you have to also bite your tongue as it's not your country and the police are more likely to take their side or ask for bribes. I appreciate some of them are poor: but it's so damn disrespectful: I was also quite young at the time and that didn't help.

LOL Yeah the shisha/hookah bars we have a lot of them here too I have a friend that's obsessed with them and always asks me to go because he runs out of people to go with some nights. I do like the setup and it's relaxing. A lot of Pakistanis here in Birmingham go to them. It's nice to actually go out to one and there's no drunks about causing trouble/hassle. Very laid back venues. My brother lives near the Edgware Road in London and that's a whole road of them. Not really his scene, though.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2023, 02:57:09 PM »
Turks are great people. Jordan is another nation where I felt lots of welcome and great vibes (years ago), and I live in an area with lots of Palestinians by way of Jordan here in US, great neighbors for the most part although I get tired of all the hookah lounges. No interest is sky-scraper Dubai or Oxygen Gym Kuwait although I appreciate the help the Kuwaiti schmoes provide to US bodybuilding. Recently in Egypt. Wow, what a history and what visuals! Although you get hit up for money and tips every move you make in Egypt.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2023, 07:15:02 PM »
True (above) that you cannot go two feet in Egypt without being hit up for money. And the country is not that poor compared to a lot of others.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2023, 04:34:39 AM »
Looks like a runoff. I don't think much changes if the other guy wins. Just different people being corrupt. Erdogan can probably leverage the Russian/Western balance better to get more concessions to his country, IMO.

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2023, 05:12:09 AM »
Erdogan still in power

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Re: Anyone following the Turkish elections?
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2023, 06:16:50 AM »
My receding hairline is getting out of hand. Will need to go to Turkey soon.

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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2023, 06:59:45 AM »
My receding hairline is getting out of hand. Will need to go to Turkey soon.

Should be cheaper than ever. The Lira is worth less than peanuts now.