Guys like Surge were way more shredded and on alot less AAS and exotics. Surge lived in France and lived on Negma Parabolin(Trenbolone Hex) He would even bring a shit load of it in the USA when he was in the states and sell it to other bodybuilders. Surge was loaded on Tren hex/Ramy is loaded on everything. a prefer a young gaspari. gaspari would get so ripped,just disgustingly cutt. Ramy could not match some of that gaspari conditioning/sure he could make rich disappear but I think that does not make anybody a better bodybuilder. Somebody got it right he is just like Prime Ruhl. If that.