i guess money will make people say they take anything, everyone knows(almost everyone) that u dont look like jay cutler from just taking supplements, most people know it takes tissue enhancement drugs to look like him. n those who r dumb enough to believe that deserve to waste their money on all that crap, train hard,eat good foods(chicken breast,steak,tuna,brown rice,oatmeal ect) n stick a needle in your ass with some kick ass test n some use some good GH n thats all it takes to reach maximum potential IMO