Killarys speech this morning

[polychronopolous]

Wait... Are we talking about the borders or are we talking about my disagreement that it's people and not religion?

I am sure I would have to back to the thread you are referencing as I make it a point to forget pretty much everything I type on getbig when I log off.

So back to this thread. What is so magical that Islam is FORCING, people to commit acts of terrorism?

To me it's like blaming the gun and not the shooter. Do you blame the gun?

Oh how convenient.

"I can't remember what I said from 5 days ago"

It's okay bro. I'll let you get back to your fairy tale worldview and delusions.

It's a free country. For now.

I'll get back to conversing with the adults on here.

[TuHolmes]

Oh how convenient.

"I can't remember what I said from 5 days ago"

It's okay bro. I'll let you get back to your fairy tale worldview and delusions.

It's a free country. For now.

I'll get back to conversing with the adults on here.

You're more than welcome to go to the thread and bounce it so I know specifically what you need clarification on.

That's what an adult would do after all right?

Feel free. I'll respond, I promise.

Because Islam is not just a religion.  Its political/religious/military plan that dominates all aspects of life in these places.  You are taking your own personal biases and not understanding what is actually going on here.   

So it's not really the religion, it's a society... See, that I can agree with. The societies of the region of the middle east are extremely violent and believe the premise of "by any means necessary."

I don't consider that a religion, similarly to how I don't consider Stalinist Russia or Nazism a religion, but the social construct in those areas is certainly promoting violence.

That's why most Muslims who immigrate to the US do not commit violence and believe in the Constitution as the rule of law. Most of those people have no desire to have a 3rd world desert dweller existence as that is what the immigrated to get away from in the first place.

[Soul Crusher]

The problem is that even if its a small % - its still a shit load of maniacs to deal with. 

You're more than welcome to go to the thread and bounce it so I know specifically what you need clarification on.

That's what an adult would do after all right?

Feel free. I'll respond, I promise.

So it's not really the religion, it's a society... See, that I can agree with. The societies of the region of the middle east are extremely violent and believe the premise of "by any means necessary."

I don't consider that a religion, similarly to how I don't consider Stalinist Russia or Nazism a religion, but the social construct in those areas is certainly promoting violence.

That's why most Muslims who immigrate to the US do not commit violence and believe in the Constitution as the rule of law. Most of those people have no desire to have a 3rd world desert dweller existence as that is what the immigrated to get away from in the first place.

[TuHolmes]

The problem is that even if its a small % - its still a shit load of maniacs to deal with. 

I understand the numbers, believe me... I do. Sure, there's a lot of maniacs out there that do this kind of shit, hell, 1 percent of 1 billion is a lot of people, but it's not 1%.

It's a number I don't like, but I want the number to be zero. I get where you come from dude, you talk a bunch of shit, but I bet if we sat down and really had a discussion, you would be reasonable, just like I would.

I understand that being a New Yorker, you are extremely sensitive to the subjects as for some strange reason, they want to keep fucking with New York.

In the grand scheme of things, you and I both know that we have better chances of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning than being killed by terrorists of any sort.

The world sucks, but it's sucked since people started government and social constructs, that's how it has always been.

[240 is Back]

Because Islam is not just a religion.  Its political/religious/military plan that dominates all aspects of life in these places. 

are any other religions also like this?   

[Dos Equis]

Because Islam is not just a religion.  Its political/religious/military plan that dominates all aspects of life in these places.  You are taking your own personal biases and not understanding what is actually going on here.   

Correct.  This isn't just some collection of individuals.  It's a radicalized part of an organized religion that tortures and murders people all over the world.  There is absolutely no comparison between Radical Islam and Christianity (or any other mainstream religion).   

[Las Vegas]

Wait... Are we talking about the borders or are we talking about my disagreement that it's people and not religion?

I am sure I would have to back to the thread you are referencing as I make it a point to forget pretty much everything I type on getbig when I log off.

So back to this thread. What is so magical that Islam is FORCING, people to commit acts of terrorism?

To me it's like blaming the gun and not the shooter. Do you blame the gun?

Tu, you make it sound as though the stands you take don't really mean much to you, which means you didn't put much thought in them to begin with.

I know you're not dumb... so what you're saying doesn't make sense.  Your views on illegal immigration haven't changed in the past few weeks, have they?

[TuHolmes]

Tu, you make it sound as though the stands you take don't really mean much to you, which means you didn't put much thought in them to begin with.

I know you're not dumb... so what you're saying doesn't make sense.  Your views on illegal immigration haven't changed in the past few weeks, have they?

No, I'm saying that I do not remember every single word in every sentence I write.

Of course I know my general thoughts on it, but if anyone wants clarification as to what my thoughts are, then they will need to show me the conversation so I can have a continued dialogue regarding statements made.

Anyone can take any single sentence and use it, but the context around it is important.

[TuHolmes]

Correct.  This isn't just some collection of individuals.  It's a radicalized part of an organized religion that tortures and murders people all over the world.  There is absolutely no comparison between Radical Islam and Christianity (or any other mainstream religion).   

But that's not religion, that's the society that the religion happens to be primarily involved with.

Saddam killed tons of people and committed lots of terrorism, but he wasn't religious at all right?

I am simply saying that people choose what they do as individuals, to allow someone to blame a religion is eliminating the free will which we know everyone has.

[Dos Equis]

But that's not religion, that's the society that the religion happens to be primarily involved with.

Saddam killed tons of people and committed lots of terrorism, but he wasn't religious at all right?

I am simply saying that people choose what they do as individuals, to allow someone to blame a religion is eliminating the free will which we know everyone has.

That's just not factual regarding Radical Islam.  They are recruited to join an extremist faction of Islam.  They are absolutely motivated by Islam.  That doesn't mean Islam itself is to blame.  It means a faction of Islam is to blame.

And honestly comparing Radical Islamists to Christians makes no sense.  From any reasonable point of view (number of terrorist attacks, frequency of attacks, number of murders, number of radicalized members, etc.) Radical Islam dwarfs every other extremist and/or religious organization on the planet. 

[TuHolmes]

That's just not factual regarding Radical Islam.  They are recruited to join an extremist faction of Islam.  They are absolutely motivated by Islam.  That doesn't mean Islam itself is to blame.  It means a faction of Islam is to blame.

And honestly comparing Radical Islamists to Christians makes no sense.  From any reasonable point of view (number of terrorist attacks, frequency of attacks, number of murders, number of radicalized members, etc.) Radical Islam dwarfs every other extremist and/or religious organization on the planet. 

So are you saying Radical Islam is different than Islam? Islam isn't to blame, but Islam is to blame?

I'm not comparing the two... As I said before, I'm simply relaying my belief that it is not religion but individuals who choose to do bad things.

Like I said that no one answered before... We don't blame the gun, we blame the person.

I place blame on people because they perform the act. Anyone can SAY to do something, but you CHOOSE to ACT on it. No words can make that happen.

[Dos Equis]

So are you saying Radical Islam is different than Islam? Islam isn't to blame, but Islam is to blame?

I'm not comparing the two... As I said before, I'm simply relaying my belief that it is not religion but individuals who choose to do bad things.

Like I said that no one answered before... We don't blame the gun, we blame the person.

I place blame on people because they perform the act. Anyone can SAY to do something, but you CHOOSE to ACT on it. No words can make that happen.

Yes Radical Islam is different than mainstream Islam.  Most Muslims are not extremists.  But if you spend five minutes on the internet reading about Radical Islam, or just look at what is happening around the world, it's pretty easy to see that a radicalized part of Islam is responsible for worldwide terrorism and murder.  Both the radicalized theology and the individuals involved. 

I agree we cannot blame a gun for the acts of a person.  That's far different from an ideology that motivates someone to commit crime.  A better example would be if the NRA had a faction that advocated murdering people. 

[240 is Back]

Yes Radical Islam is different than mainstream Islam. 

Many on getbig would disagree with you.   Trump didn't clarify on his muslim ban

[TuHolmes]

Yes Radical Islam is different than mainstream Islam.  Most Muslims are not extremists.  But if you spend five minutes on the internet reading about Radical Islam, or just look at what is happening around the world, it's pretty easy to see that a radicalized part of Islam is responsible for worldwide terrorism and murder.  Both the radicalized theology and the individuals involved. 

I agree we cannot blame a gun for the acts of a person.  That's far different from an ideology that motivates someone to commit crime.  A better example would be if the NRA had a faction that advocated murdering people. 

Ok, then I will agree with your premise of Radical Islam. If we are splitting the two, I can make that distinction.

Can I say that since the NRA supports Trump, and Trump says 2nd amendment people should "take care" of Hillary, that we can say that if one of those people does it, then Radical Trump is to blame? Or is it just Trump?

[Dos Equis]

Ok, then I will agree with your premise of Radical Islam. If we are splitting the two, I can make that distinction.

Can I say that since the NRA supports Trump, and Trump says 2nd amendment people should "take care" of Hillary, that we can say that if one of those people does it, then Radical Trump is to blame? Or is it just Trump?

I didn't interpret his comments as calling for people who support the Second Amendment to assassinate Hillary.  He was talking about voting.  Also, the NRA doesn't have any kind of teaching or instruction regarding murdering people.  They're actually the exact opposite by supporting law and order. 

[TuHolmes]

I didn't interpret his comments as calling for people who support the Second Amendment to assassinate Hillary.  He was talking about voting.  Also, the NRA doesn't have any kind of teaching or instruction regarding murdering people.  They're actually the exact opposite by supporting law and order.  

I actually did.

I thought it was exactly what he was saying.



I do agree that the NRA doesn't (have teachings or instructions regarding murdering people), but the NRA has become a sham organization. They don't support law and order really. They support themselves.

That's why they take money from gun manufacturers.

All of this is far removed from the original premise though... Let's bring it back to topic. My apologies for the derailment there.

[Dos Equis]

I actually did.

I thought it was exactly what he was saying.



I do agree that the NRA doesn't (have teachings or instructions regarding murdering people), but the NRA has become a sham organization. They don't support law and order really. They support themselves.

That's why they take money from gun manufacturers.

All of this is far removed from the original premise though... Let's bring it back to topic. My apologies for the derailment there.

I've often said that two people looking at the same thing and seeing something entirely different is part of what makes life interesting. 

I don't think this is necessarily off topic. 

[Erik C]

A good muslim, is a dead muslim. We should be preparing for a war of extermination against islam, as that's what they are planning for, against us.

[Coach is Back!]

Hardly.

This is simply one thing. I don't buy into any singular religion being the cause of evil unless all religions are the cause of evil.

Surely you understand the premise.

PEOPLE make choices... PEOPLE. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the decisions that people choose to do.

I think you put things on a religion and you miss the point that individuals make choices.

However, you want to say "rare abortion bombings".

Ok...

Here is all abortion violence:

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded, 100 butyric acid attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.

Rare... Hmmm.

Compared to the daily mayhem radical Islam, yes that's rare.

[TuHolmes]

Compared to the daily mayhem radical Islam, yes that's rare.

You show up with all of the statements made by everyone and that's your input.

Great job!

[Coach is Back!]

You show up with all of the statements made by everyone and that's your input.

Great job!

I didn't read everyone else's input. I read yours and realized what a ridiculous comparison it is.

[TuHolmes]

I didn't read everyone else's input. I read yours and realized what a ridiculous comparison it is.

Please. You know most of the words we use are too big for you.

There is nothing for you to add because you lack that ability.

Everyone on the politics board is smarter than you. Stick to posting news 3 weeks old and from Facebook, it's what you are good at.

[Coach is Back!]

Please. You know most of the words we use are too big for you.

There is nothing for you to add because you lack that ability.

Everyone on the politics board is smarter than you. Stick to posting news 3 weeks old and from Facebook, it's what you are good at.

Easy there cupcake. I know you're the smartest one in the room trying to get your message across with your diplomacy and all but when something is black and white your little message gets lost and usually winds up on the wrong side of the obvious. Stick with Gary Johnson. You two relate very well.

Btw, keep making the comparison between Christianity and radical Islam. You're making me look like Rhodes Scholar.

[TuHolmes]

Easy there cupcake. I know you're the smartest one in the room trying to get your message across with your diplomacy and all but when something is black and white your little message gets lost and usually winds up on the wrong side of the obvious. Stick with Gary Johnson. You two relate very well.

Btw, keep making the comparison between Christianity and radical Islam. You're making me look like Rhodes Scholar.

Nuance is lost on you, as expected.

It was not a comparison between Christianity and Radical Islam. It was a dialogue of religion as a whole. Not to mention the nuance that the statements started with Islam in a larger context.

It wasn't until later in the conversation that the term Radical Islam was introduced which I agreed with.

You show yourself.

How sad.