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Thin Lizzy

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2019, 08:28:08 AM »
The end result of this was that the Democrats preached to the choir and alienated everyone else:


Poll: Opposition by independents to impeachment inquiry jumps 10 points | TheHill


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2019, 08:31:19 AM »
The end result of this was that the Democrats preached to the choir and alienated everyone else:

Poll: Opposition by independents to impeachment inquiry jumps 10 points | TheHill

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/471057-poll-independent-opposition-to-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last

Watch the Democrat rats scurry when the Horowitz and Dunham reports come out.

Quid pro quo will be the least of their worries.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2019, 08:35:45 AM »
DemocRats and RINOs are (hopefully) on the Endangered Feces List. 
Traitors to our Nation, to our Constitution, to us.  The Deep State is Animal Farm and they're the pigs.


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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2019, 08:47:55 AM »
Fair point, in terms of basic econmics, but he's a real threat to our environmental interests.


Trump has had a negative effect on our institutions (  FBI, CIA, NSA,etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-10-worst-things-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office/2017/12/29/2446d9f6-eca8-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html
In fairness, Obama contributed to a reduction in the public trust of our police . 

I could go on, but this is a good start.


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Former FBI lawyer under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe - CNNPolitics

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2019, 02:00:49 PM »
I just saw a clip of some guy on MSNBC saying this impeachment hearing showed the most damning evidence against a president in American history.  These people are nuts. 

You do realize there are more perspectives than just yours, don't you? Some might see your obsession with and position on all this as a bit nuts. For every person siding with Trump there is someone who thinks he's a criminal. Both sides believe they are 100% right.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2019, 02:04:24 PM »
This is all we need to see. You've proven far too biased to have an open minded opinion.

Hmm...you seem pretty biased yourself. I've not seen any evidence of you having an open mind.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2019, 04:19:20 PM »
This is all we need to see. You've proven far too biased to have an open minded opinion.
That was my thought as well. Never Trumpers cannot be reasoned with by definition.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2019, 05:33:19 PM »
I agree with you that the economy is booming .
My main concern is about the 85 environmental regulations repealed by Trump.
Permanent damage to the air, land and water effects everyone.

Cite a legitimate source that indicates that President Trump has rolled back 85 environmental regulations and that all 85 rollbacks have harmed the environment.


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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2019, 08:23:41 PM »
All 12 of the witnesses said Trump engaged in an attempted quid pro quo in dealing with the UK Pres.



An "attempted crime"? What is that exactly?


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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2019, 10:29:57 PM »
We've just come to the close of a packed week of public testimony in
the Trump impeachment inquiry. To me , it's clear he tried to shake down the Ukraine
to gain political dirt on his political rival.

The republican Trump suppoters are unmoved however and I know why.
They honestly believe back door dealings is  how politics really operates .
Unless it works against THEM, why not?

 It's a fair point and the attitude many have when it comes to everything from sports to money or relationships.
  If my team gets away with a foul , why not shut up and be happy ?
  If I cheat on my wife and she never finds out, what harm is done?
  If I cheat on my taxes ,that's good for me . Besides, everyone does it...right?

The problem is  if everyone gets away with bending the rules , then , we have no rules.
 One of the hallmarks of US democracy is being a nation run by laws .
Without the law , we have no GOV protections when those in charge, ever go against us.

Once the rich, powerful and connected become above the law, we devolve into a corrupt "shithole" country.
Eventually the vast majorty are silenced by the opressive leaders, with a growing vice grip on power.
Having a free and thriving press is NOT the enemy of the people or the purveyor of "fake news".

Trump is a corrupt President who thinks he's above the law.
He demands loyalty and ridicules any who dare speak out against him, regardless of the evidence.
He's a clear and present danger to the  ideals that made America the greatest nation on earth.

Please look at this link which includes the 7 main traits of authoritarian leaders.

 I think it describes Trump's leadership style and personality quite well.
https://exploringyourmind.com/7-characteristics-authoritarian-people/


 



Do you realize the overwhelming irony that is the basic premise of all that you wrote, whereby the only reason you're bringing this up now is because TRUMP is the president?

It is an undeniable fact that the previous administrations were dirty.
This isn't debatable.  The Clinton foundation et al was the biggest selloff of America in exchange for private wealth we will likely ever know now that the USA has become fully polarized.

If you were truly as principled as you were proporting, and could step back and an objective look at politics over the last 30 years, you would've pointed out that you should have taken issue long before Trump became president.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2019, 07:17:57 AM »
Fair point, in terms of basic econmics, but he's a real threat to our environmental interests.

But since you asked, the repeal or removal of various environmental regulations is a big negative.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

He also wants to change the proected status of national parks .
The worst may be removing the ban on minning of Uranium in the Grand Canyon.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-threatens-national-parks-and-monuments-701468

Trump has had a negative effect on our institutions (  FBI, CIA, NSA,etc).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-10-worst-things-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office/2017/12/29/2446d9f6-eca8-11e7-b698-91d4e35920a3_story.html
In fairness, Obama contributed to a reduction in the public trust of our police .

Trump's continued attack of the free press , really troubles me.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-trump-thinks-freedom-press-disgusting
One of the hallmarks of a free society is a free press.
Constantly refering to the press corps as the enemy of the people , sounds like a tin pot dictator.

The avg non_Jewish person lived a decent avg life during most of the 1930's in Germany
https://allthatsinteresting.com/life-in-nazi-germany
They lived their lives and even hosted the Olympics in 1936.

I could go on, but this is a good start.


Laughter at the  list you compiled, other than national parks...

explain in your OWN words the last 3, not sure you can do this though as you do not understand what you copied and pasted from fake news.
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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2019, 11:21:22 AM »

An "attempted crime"? What is that exactly?



Howard wrote attempted quid pro quo not attempted crime.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2019, 11:22:49 AM »
Ok, so if someone attempts to rob a bank, but fail, they didn't do anything criminal?

Exactly what I was going to say.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2019, 11:53:06 AM »
LOL, good zinger.

Of course unlike some macho men who about how bad their wife is...
I actually did something and divorced their ass.

Given the number of times you say you’ve been married, I would wager that the problem is not that of any bride.  Do yourself a favor and resist the farce of marriage, sir.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2019, 12:01:55 PM »
Howard wrote attempted quid pro quo not attempted crime.

Ukraine got the money and there was no investigation.

Worst quid pro quo ever.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2019, 05:32:52 PM »
Cite a legitimate source that indicates that President Trump has rolled back 85 environmental regulations and that all 85 rollbacks have harmed the environment.

Did I miss Howard’s response to this?

Can any Democrat explain why Alexandra Chalupa wasn’t called to testify in the Impeachment Inquiry?

I mean, other than the obvious answer that the entire thing is a farce and a scam on the American public.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2019, 05:43:46 PM »
Ok, so if someone attempts to rob a bank, but fail, they didn't do anything criminal?


What if someone just walked into a bank and spoke with the manager, but you hated that person so much you called 911 for him robbing the bank?

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2019, 05:55:31 PM »

What if someone just walked into a bank and spoke with the manager, but you hated that person so much you called 911 for him robbing the bank?

If you did that, you'd be charged with making a false police report.

Filing a false police report is a crime and can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony. ... This is an example of speech that is not protected by the First Amendment and is in fact considered a crime against justice itself.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2019, 06:06:17 PM »
I don't think my political views fit nicely with typical labels.
But, knock yourself out with whatever name, label or category you wish to call me.
What are you rambling about? You called yourself that.

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Re: Impeachment musings of a Never Trumper ( me)
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2019, 05:54:07 AM »
It doesn’t matter what Howard thinks. Frankly, it doesn’t matter what those of us who never bought into the scam think. Those on the fence are the only ones who really count and the Democrats clearly failed in that regard:


Support flips against impeachment as Trump approval rating jumps: Poll

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/support-flips-against-impeachment-as-trump-approval-rating-jumps-poll