50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh

[Humble Narcissist]

Yes, they are not interested in doing what it takes, only paying lip service to the idea.

Meanwhile China is building 150+ reactors over the next 15 years.

The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind.

[ProudVirgin69]

The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind.

Yeah it's a nice thought but ultimately a pipe dream.  Interestingly enough, there are links between oil companies and many environmental/anti-nuclear organizations.  Unsurprising, but interesting.

What's maddening to me is Obama acting like he didn't double the US oil output--while bragging about it as recently as 3 years ago.  He truly is "The Great Deceiver"

[Thin Lizzy]

The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind.

The argument they make is that solar and wind is unlimited. This is true but it’s not a concentrated source of energy like oil and the land and capital needed for windmills and solar panel is limited.

If someone is against nuclear they’re not serious about this discussion. It’s an unlimited source of energy that doesn’t emit carbon.

Even if you look at it logically, Energy is generated by agitating electrons around the shell of an atom. The “progressive” way to do this is to utilize the nucleus.

[ThisisOverload]

It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.

How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.

[ThisisOverload]

The argument they make is that solar and wind is unlimited. This is true but it’s not a concentrated source of energy like oil and the land and capital needed for windmills and solar panel is limited.

If someone is against nuclear they’re not serious about this discussion. It’s an unlimited source of energy that doesn’t emit carbon.

Even if you look at it logically, Energy is generated by agitating electrons around the shell of an atom. The “progressive” way to do this is to utilize the nucleus.

I've posted many long posts about wind and solar. I worked in Energy for one of the largest companies in the world.

It's not practical anytime soon. It's more expensive to build a large wind tower than the amount of energy it produces during its life. Solar is not practical for 90% of the planet due to weather and infrastructure. It's just a good idea.

I have a rental house in Southern NM with the best solar panels money can buy. This area gets full sun over 290 days a year. It's in the middle of the desert. Still i have to be connected to the grid, but it depends on how much the a/c is turned on. Considering in the summer it gets over 105 degrees for weeks at a time, you get the point. If it gets cloudy for more than 4 days i have to pull energy from the grid. Now without air conditioning or appliances, it would last 3-4 weeks or more, which is more practical since the chances of there being no sun for that long are pretty much impossible.

I do believe we will have better methods to harvest energy in the next 50-100 years. Also better ways to use power efficiently. At some point we will not rely on fossil fuels, but not anytime soon.

Nuclear has the problem of waste disposal, which i think could be solved very quickly,

[Humble Narcissist]

How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.

The Earth being billions of years old is also theoretical science.

[ThisisOverload]

The Earth being billions of years old is also theoretical science.

That is true, but Geology is more understood that Climatology.

But you are not wrong.

We can't even predict the weather. It's all models and simulations based on theory.

I can drill a core 1000 feet deep and tell you the classifications of soil and rock within a 99% accuracy rate.

[deadz]

Climate change..like it will impact anyone here, get fucked with this shit.

[ProudVirgin69]

How do you figure this is climate change and can be "prevented" or "fixed"?

We have only been able to measure the temperature and climate for a few hundred years. The Earth is billions of years old. We have only had accurate measurements for about 100 years. So yes, it may be "unprecedented" during the last 100-150 years.

The rest is theoretical science.

It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

[ProudVirgin69]

Climate change..like it will impact anyone here, get fucked with this shit.

Those getbiggers living in Texas and the west coast have been impacted just this last year

It won't be a sudden apocalypse where you can say "ah yes, climate change is in effect" .. just year after year getting progressively worse

[Rambone]

It's just a money and power grab that only the gayest, most cucked, and most naive would actually believe.

Well said

[ThisisOverload]

There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

I agree with you 100%.

We are going to run out of fresh water first.

Very few people talk about that.

[deadz]

It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

Outed…Lib, willing to sacrifice his family for the greater good. I’m sure there is a space in heaven waiting for you…lol.

[honest]

The earths climate has been changing since the beginning of time, I'm not saying creating carbon emissions is a good thing and it should be phased out or minimised where possible, but for human beings to think that they are overly influencing climate change in 200 years or so of industrialisation is nonsense.

[Mayday]

The true believers really think they can supply the whole country with energy from solar and wind.

Absolutely you can…..

Just don’t have 1 person driving a 2.5T car to and from work each day.

Don’t have people discarding every electronic device every 12 months to upgrade.

The wastage we have is crazy. Why do you think they are shutting down power plants and sending energy prices souring? It’s to drastically reduce consumption of everything and this of course will hit fast food places particularly hard. I can already buy good quality food from a cafe cheaper than I can from a meal from Maccas.

[tommywishbone]

 Man made global warming. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Even a stupider bullshit story than Covid.

[Humble Narcissist]

Absolutely you can…..

Just don’t have 1 person driving a 2.5T car to and from work each day.

Don’t have people discarding every electronic device every 12 months to upgrade.

The wastage we have is crazy. Why do you think they are shutting down power plants and sending energy prices souring? It’s to drastically reduce consumption of everything and this of course will hit fast food places particularly hard. I can already buy good quality food from a cafe cheaper than I can from a meal from Maccas.

You are only thinking about the individual and the energy they consume. All of the products we buy like food, clothing, perishable items, building materials, nick nacks, etc,etc, use enormous amounts of energy to produce that soalr and wind energy can not begin to supply.

If the Green New Deal was passed we would have to take our lifestyles back to the 19th Century.

[Slapper]

It's not "nigh", it's here

California is on fire 1/2 the year, the PNW went through unprecedented record heat this summer, Texas' electric grid froze like 9 months ago.  And it will only get worse each year.  It won't be a sudden thing, things will gradually but progressively worsen

As correctly identified, politicians see it as a cash grab with no real interest in doing what it takes.  Building up a nuclear power supply to replace coal and natural gas power plants would be a great start.

"Unprecedented"? How do you know? The first weather station in California was installed in 1928. And 95% of the weather stations in California were installed within the past 25 years.

Where does all this "the highest on record" or "the hottest in the history of the state" or "unprecedented" come from?

Let's be real here: THEY DO NOT KNOW. Climate alarmists are selling the climate change bull shit story because they want the public, via huge tax increases, to finance the switch out of oil and coal.

[Slapper]

The earths climate has been changing since the beginning of time, I'm not saying creating carbon emissions is a good thing and it should be phased out or minimised where possible, but for human beings to think that they are overly influencing climate change in 200 years or so of industrialisation is nonsense.

[IroNat]

High gas prices will hurt pickup truck sales...the number 1 vehicle for some car companies.

[Thin Lizzy]

"Unprecedented"? How do you know? The first weather station in California was installed in 1928. And 95% of the weather stations in California were installed within the past 25 years.

Where does all this "the highest on record" or "the hottest in the history of the state" or "unprecedented" come from?

Let's be real here: THEY DO NOT KNOW. Climate alarmists are selling the climate change bull shit story because they want the public, via huge tax increases, to finance the switch out of oil and coal.

We have a winner 🏆

[Thin Lizzy]

It likely can't be fixed, Covid disabused me of any hope for that.  People are unwilling to make personal sacrifices for the greater good. 

Its out of the reach of any individual and likely incompatible with a capitalist world. There's not enough resources for the infinite growth sought after by corporations and their shareholders. Not burning oil, gas, and coal for electricity would be a great start though.  Scaling our military down (a greater emitter than most countries) and transitioning to a car-free society would also be where I'd prioritize.

😂😂😂😂😂

You don’t really believe this bullshit, do you? Funny how all of the “sacrifices” always benefit the financial and medical establishment.

Ironically, Covid robbed me of hope as well. Mainly because of how many gullible morons there are out there who buy into the endless lies we’ve be peddled the last two years.

[Thin Lizzy]

Outed…Lib, willing to sacrifice his family for the greater good. I’m sure there is a space in heaven waiting for you…lol.

Proud Virgin surely has a dog eared copy of Das Capital which he regularly references.

[Super Natural]

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