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That also happens here and a lot more frequently.  Gun in that situation in fact would have killed more people.   
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I don't know what started this. Or who was initially in the right or wrong but at some point the group with the knife was walking away. They should have let them walk.

The group with the victim were the physical aggressors, pursuing and provoking the knife group.

Pretty steep price to pay for wanting to be a badass.

I'm tending to agree with Vince on this one. I don't know if a gun would have changed anything for tge better here. Both groups seem like dumbasses that probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.

The use of a gun wouldn't have been justified until after the stabing and by then its too late to save the 'victim'

If you shoot before the stabbing its probably not going to be justified. I suppose it could be but even if the guy has knife in hand its going to be difficult to articulate an imminent threat because he's walking away.

If you brandish the gun to run them off (1) you should never produce a gun unless you plan on using it and (2) they were already running off, albeit talking shit while doing so.

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That also happens here and a lot more frequently.  Gun in that situation in fact would have killed more people.

Which is why you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight

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Confident big man had his hands down both times he approached. Whups. That's a good bleed. I always heard 30 seconds to unconsciousness from opening a carotid artery. Dude was down in 12.

I often joke that people here have a Garden of Eden innocence because serious violence is so rare. They put themselves into situations without thinking. A few weeks ago a guy died from a knife wound after he chased a bicycle thief. What did he think was going to happen when he catches up to a guy pumping adrenaline?

Few weeks ago a woman told me a pearl clutching tale of elderly friends who went camping and some aboriginals tried to steal their generator off the trailer. So the husband got out of the car to discuss it and shoo them off. And they kicked his old ass. Isn't that shocking? Uh, no. Thieves being willing to engage in violence is totally predictable and your friend is a naive fool. Welcome to reality.

Three nights ago, I was working late, alone on a building site. After dark, with a headlamp. Up the hill, I notice a vehicle pull up next to my truck so I go outside and walk up the hill to investigate. The dude is taking pictures of my truck. I say hello from a long way off so I don't startle him. Immediately, it's what do I think I'm doing there, am I stealing things, etc. I explain politely I'm doing the drywall, have worked for the builder for 20 years, its all good, etc. The whole time I'm approaching him with a headlamp on that basically blinds people. The guy never seems to believe that I'm working there, remains rude and accusatory, but let's me get within two feet of him. Theres no one else around. It's after dark at the side of an unlit road, and he seemed convinced I was a thief. What if I was a thief? What if I decide I need to get those pics he just took? Duh. He was not built for conflict and he let someone he thought was up to no good get right up on him, he can't hardly see me, nothing in his hands (at his sides) but a phone, all by his lonesome in the dark. I saw the light bulb come on over his head once I was right in front of him. "Oh, this person could touch me." I told him to go home and call the police if he didn't like my story.

I guess you could argue I was risking a situation but whatever. It's my truck. It wasn't even his house.


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knew the guy had a knife yet still walked within range

serves him right

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knew the guy had a knife yet still walked within range

serves him right

Yup!

Bet he won't do that again.

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Christ he bled like a stuck pig.

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Confident big man had his hands down both times he approached. Whups. That's a good bleed. I always heard 30 seconds to unconsciousness from opening a carotid artery. Dude was down in 12.

I often joke that people here have a Garden of Eden innocence because serious violence is so rare. They put themselves into situations without thinking. A few weeks ago a guy died from a knife wound after he chased a bicycle thief. What did he think was going to happen when he catches up to a guy pumping adrenaline?

Few weeks ago a woman told me a pearl clutching tale of elderly friends who went camping and some aboriginals tried to steal their generator off the trailer. So the husband got out of the car to discuss it and shoo them off. And they kicked his old ass. Isn't that shocking? Uh, no. Thieves being willing to engage in violence is totally predictable and your friend is a naive fool. Welcome to reality.

Three nights ago, I was working late, alone on a building site. After dark, with a headlamp. Up the hill, I notice a vehicle pull up next to my truck so I go outside and walk up the hill to investigate. The dude is taking pictures of my truck. I say hello from a long way off so I don't startle him. Immediately, it's what do I think I'm doing there, am I stealing things, etc. I explain politely I'm doing the drywall, have worked for the builder for 20 years, its all good, etc. The whole time I'm approaching him with a headlamp on that basically blinds people. The guy never seems to believe that I'm working there, remains rude and accusatory, but let's me get within two feet of him. Theres no one else around. It's after dark at the side of an unlit road, and he seemed convinced I was a thief. What if I was a thief? What if I decide I need to get those pics he just took? Duh. He was not built for conflict and he let someone he thought was up to no good get right up on him, he can't hardly see me, nothing in his hands (at his sides) but a phone, all by his lonesome in the dark. I saw the light bulb come on over his head once I was right in front of him. "Oh, this person could touch me." I told him to go home and call the police if he didn't like my story.

I guess you could argue I was risking a situation but whatever. It's my truck. It wasn't even his house.

100% I think some idiots watch too many movies or think they're still on twitter, until reality hits them in the face.

I use to work for this company and our secretary got a phone call from her alarm company to say her house was busy being robbed. This paper rep that was busy chatting her up, said he'd go round to her house and confront them  ::)  Rambo got there before the police and as he sprinted up the drive way he ran smack bang into the burglars.

One of them had a gun and shot him in the throat severing his vocal cords, he survived but to this day sounds like a parrot when he talks.

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It's 4am in the valley in Brisbane and alcohol is in full effect.

..That and dickheads, most often from nearby Logan who have been brought up with glorification of televised violence. 

Times have changed since circa 2000, but one night in the valley, I had to lend a guy I knew, a metal tshirt that I was wearing over another metal tshirt because a bouncer wouldn't let him in a pub because in his words, wearing a collared shirt "would get you beaten up". 

Pretty much every single time you go out there, there is heinous aggression and people looking to start shit.  Some as the Gold Coast at night.  I would routinely walk past people sitting on stairs who would just say shit to try to goad you into a fight.    Back in the 90s, there were even fuckwit w.iggers in the most ridiculous cross colours jeans (brightly coloured jeans that were about a foot wide)  standing outside shopping malls starting shit too. 

Guns wouldn't make that situation any better.  Just more bodies and not necessarily the ones that deserve it.

And to anybody reading before watching, don't watch.  It's a sickening waste of life.  Whoever took that video and posted it is probably the most amoral of all the people involved in this shit.

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Every dero in that vid is exactly like the fuckwits you described. As for the one we lost, we'll just have to somehow carry on without Beethoven's 10th.

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Every dero in that vid is exactly like the fuckwits you described. As for the one we lost, we'll just have to somehow carry on without Beethoven's 10th.

Oh no doubt.

Don't get me started on the walk between the city and the valley in Brisbane.  Dark, quiet, but in the middle of the city.  Like a gauntlet of trouble.  Ran into some guys exactly like the aggressors in that video before.  Drunk, looking to fight. 

I'm truly thankful that we do not have to deal with alcohol plus guns.

I can see how home defence and sober situations are plausible, but nothing about what I've experienced of australian nightlife would ever convince me that having drunk gun owners would be a good thing.

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Dude was like "That's not a knoife", and walked right into it.  :-X


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Can someone post the video, I don’t have Twitter so can’t see it and I love seeing idiots kill eachother.

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Dude was like "That's not a knoife", and walked right into it.  :-X



Thanks to this, I read it in the proper Paul Hogan accent

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Confident big man had his hands down both times he approached. Whups. That's a good bleed. I always heard 30 seconds to unconsciousness from opening a carotid artery. Dude was down in 12.

I often joke that people here have a Garden of Eden innocence because serious violence is so rare. They put themselves into situations without thinking. A few weeks ago a guy died from a knife wound after he chased a bicycle thief. What did he think was going to happen when he catches up to a guy pumping adrenaline?

Few weeks ago a woman told me a pearl clutching tale of elderly friends who went camping and some aboriginals tried to steal their generator off the trailer. So the husband got out of the car to discuss it and shoo them off. And they kicked his old ass. Isn't that shocking? Uh, no. Thieves being willing to engage in violence is totally predictable and your friend is a naive fool. Welcome to reality.

Three nights ago, I was working late, alone on a building site. After dark, with a headlamp. Up the hill, I notice a vehicle pull up next to my truck so I go outside and walk up the hill to investigate. The dude is taking pictures of my truck. I say hello from a long way off so I don't startle him. Immediately, it's what do I think I'm doing there, am I stealing things, etc. I explain politely I'm doing the drywall, have worked for the builder for 20 years, its all good, etc. The whole time I'm approaching him with a headlamp on that basically blinds people. The guy never seems to believe that I'm working there, remains rude and accusatory, but let's me get within two feet of him. Theres no one else around. It's after dark at the side of an unlit road, and he seemed convinced I was a thief. What if I was a thief? What if I decide I need to get those pics he just took? Duh. He was not built for conflict and he let someone he thought was up to no good get right up on him, he can't hardly see me, nothing in his hands (at his sides) but a phone, all by his lonesome in the dark. I saw the light bulb come on over his head once I was right in front of him. "Oh, this person could touch me." I told him to go home and call the police if he didn't like my story.

I guess you could argue I was risking a situation but whatever. It's my truck. It wasn't even his house.

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100% I think some idiots watch too many movies or think they're still on twitter, until reality hits them in the face.

I use to work for this company and our secretary got a phone call from her alarm company to say her house was busy being robbed. This paper rep that was busy chatting her up, said he'd go round to her house and confront them  ::)  Rambo got there before the police and as he sprinted up the drive way he ran smack bang into the burglars.

One of them had a gun and shot him in the throat severing his vocal cords, he survived but to this day sounds like a parrot when he talks.

It's stupid to be a hero these days.

People watch too many movies.

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Which is why you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight


No , if someone is walking away, you walk away ...you dont pursue someone
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No , if someone is walking away, you walk away ...you dont pursue someone

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No , if someone is walking away, you walk away ...you dont pursue someone

Is that what happened with Vissy?  :'(

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Why use a gun or a knife? What happened to a good old fist fight?
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It's 4am in the valley in Brisbane and alcohol is in full effect.

..That and dickheads, most often from nearby Logan who have been brought up with glorification of televised violence. 

Times have changed since circa 2000, but one night in the valley, I had to lend a guy I knew, a metal tshirt that I was wearing over another metal tshirt because a bouncer wouldn't let him in a pub because in his words, wearing a collared shirt "would get you beaten up". 

Pretty much every single time you go out there, there is heinous aggression and people looking to start shit.  Some as the Gold Coast at night.  I would routinely walk past people sitting on stairs who would just say shit to try to goad you into a fight.    Back in the 90s, there were even fuckwit w.iggers in the most ridiculous cross colours jeans (brightly coloured jeans that were about a foot wide)  standing outside shopping malls starting shit too. 

Guns wouldn't make that situation any better.  Just more bodies and not necessarily the ones that deserve it.

And to anybody reading before watching, don't watch.  It's a sickening waste of life.  Whoever took that video and posted it is probably the most amoral of all the people involved in this shit.


Thanks for the warning. I didn’t watch, I hate that type of shit. You can’t unsee that.

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Is that what happened with Vissy?  :'(

Mel pursued him for a while didn't he
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Who is this Queen Vincey person?