Dorian yates HIT?

[Rmj11]

(s)HIT training is a religion. Yates is the prophet while Jones is God the Father and his son is Mentzer.

Yep. And that's what is always has been. If hit really worked, and it doesn't, we'd all be doing it and the hit guys would be the biggest and strongest guys walking the planet. But reality is very different, something all religious zealots have trouble with.

[Rmj11]

Blood and Guts (lol) the video. Just pyramid training and nothing more. No rest pauses, no long static holds, no drop sets, no real forced reps. Just traditional training thinly disguised as something radical by Yates. He trained no harder than the guys in Pumping Iron. In fact, Arnold could've done Yates way of training without breaking a sweat yet Dorian in no way could have handled doing anything more than a pussy one set. 😂😂😂

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[dj181]

Blood and Guts (lol) the video. Just pyramid training and nothing more. No rest pauses, no long static holds, no drop sets, no real forced reps. Just traditional training thinly disguised as something radical by Yates. He trained no harder than the guys in Pumping Iron. In fact, Arnold could've done Yates way of training without breaking a sweat yet dorian in no way could have handled doing anything more than a pussy one set.

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probably claims to have a 32 inch waist, more like 45+ inches

[Rmj11]

It is way different. It's the mind set like local hero said. One life or death set, giving it everything. You can't maintain that kind of mental or physical intensity for many sets. Most people do not train like that.

Reminds me of what that fool Poliquin said wrt "HIT"

One "life or death set" lol. Come on now, get real. His "death" set,😂😂😂😂, was no harder than most serious trainers set. All this hype behind Yates's dog shit way of training yet when actually scrutinised it's just regular hard training.

[oldtimer1]

One "life or death set" lol. Come on now, get real. His "death" set,😂😂😂😂, was no harder than most serious trainers set. All this hype behind Yates's dog shit way of training yet when actually scrutinised it's just regular hard training.

Your hate for HIT and your spin on his training speaks volumes of your bias. You must train in a really relaxed casual manner and you have to justify it by putting hard trainers down. I don't know how you can't comprehend non taxing warm ups and one set to failure.  No one can do a single set to failure in most exercises without warming up the muscle.

[Rmj11]

Your hate for HIT and your spin on his training speaks volumes of your bias. You must train in a really relaxed casual manner and you have to justify it by putting hard trainers down. I don't know how you can't comprehend non taxing warm ups and one set to failure.  No one can do a single set to failure in most exercises without warming up the muscle.

Hit doesn't work. In 5 decades it still has a very poor success rate. Volume, with reasonable intensity, is much better. Its better for size. It's definitely better for recovery as I'm not going all out which stresses out the cns which causes burn out. The old naturals before Arnold 's era called it "training on the nerve" and knew that training like that causes burn out, fast plateaus and even injury. Beating down one's cns can make a person much more prone to colds and flues.

Going all out, especially drug free is too stressful on the body. It releases catabolic hormones into the body's system which isn't good if drug free. If enhanced then no worries, the steroids can counter act the negative effects from high stressful training but only for a short time.

Even guys like Yates and methzer didn't do this type of training for long. They only did it in spurts. Most of the time they did higher volume training. You hit guys certainly do get triggered when the facts come up about hit. I thought you guys were supposed to be "mentally strong" as methzer had preached? Not my fault you've wasted you're precious time with a faddy, inferior training method. Oh well...

[Rmj11]

probably claims to have a 32 inch waist, more like 45+ inches

Yep. All that GH he did.

[Rmj11]

Dorian doing HIT..er, I mean, pyramid sets on the Incline press. So much hype on his "intensity" when in reality he trained no harder than Arnold and Co.

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Now compare the intensity of Arnold and Lou. Lou doing Incline press @1.27. (just like yates) went to failure with some assisted reps. No different. Yates is just so full of it.

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[Rmj11]

Preacher curls performed by a young Dorian Yates in a regular style. Hardly blood and guts lol.

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[illuminati]

Dorian 6x Mr Olympia
How ever he trained it worked very well for him.

 

[Royalty]

Dorian doing HIT..er, I mean, pyramid sets on the Incline press. So much hype on his "intensity" when in reality he trained no harder than Arnold and Co.

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Now compare the intensity of Arnold and Lou. Lou doing Incline press @1.27. (just like yates) went to failure with some assisted reps. No different. Yates is just so full of it.

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Preacher curls performed by a young Dorian Yates in a regular style. Hardly blood and guts lol.

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[Rmj11]

Dorian 6x Mr Olympia
However he trained, which was volume, it worked very well for him. As it does for all champions.

 😁

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[oldtimer1]

I always had a problem with the way fans of HIT preached like it's a religion and putting down volume trainers. Now comes along Rmj11 who sounds like a HIT guy but argues for volume.

There is no standardized method of HIT. No, using forced reps doesn't make it HIT or not. The best way to look at this is to do non taxing warm up sets if necessary and then one or two work sets to positive failure or very close to.  That is high intensity training. It should be a tool for every trainers. If intensity was the magic bullet and it isn't 100% then we would all be doing sets of one rep because on the intensity scale that as intense as you can make training.

I would advise every volume trainer to do a cycle of low sets to failure and for every hit guy to do a cycle of volume. Heavy and muscular endurance training as in volume should both be used.  Having said that the majority of champs have been volume trainers. If anyone enjoys doing a non taxing warm up set or two then banging out that one set to failure I would applaud you. It certainly give the most bang for the buck. If you have a job, commute and family can you really do a 2 hours work out four to five times a week?  Training like Yates you can go hard for 45 minutes and be done.  It's very taxing way to train using failure as the goal.

I'm switching to volume for awhile. Burnt out from low sets to failure. Going the muscular endurance volume route for awhile.

I digress a little but when people say Sergio Oliva was a HIT trainer I have to laugh. He trained with volume and plenty of it prior to going down to Florida to be trained by Jones for a couple of weeks. He then lost to Bill Pearl then returned home. In under 12 months returning to volume he was in his best shape ever. Light years better than that second place showing to the great Bill Pearl. 

[Rmj11]

I always had a problem with the way fans of (s)HIT preached like it's a religion and putting down volume trainers. Now comes along Rmj11 who argues for volume since it works and has been proven to be superior to (s)HIT.

There is a standard method of (s)HIT. No, using forced reps doesn't make it (s)HIT or since forced reps were around way before (s)HIT was conjured up by con men in order to make money by appealing to the lazy. The best way to look at this is to do taxing warm up sets if necessary and then one or two work sets to positive failure or very close to.  That is conventional pyramid training. It shouldn't be a tool for every trainers since pyramid sets aren't that great for maximum mass. If intensity was the magic bullet and it isn't then we would all be doing sets of one rep because on the intensity scale that as intense as you can make training. That's why volume with reasonable intensity is superior.

I would advise every volume trainer not to do a cycle of low sets to failure and for every (s)HIT guy to do volume. Moderate heavy and muscular endurance training as in volume should both be used.  The majority of champs have been volume trainers including Yates and old meth head. If anyone enjoys doing a taxing warm up set or two then banging out that one set to failure I would appeal you to use volume. (s)HIT certainly doesn’t give the most bang for the buck. It is why it has such a dismal success rate even after 5 decades. If you have a job, commute and family can you really do a 1 hour work out four to five times a week? Yes, you can. Many have done. Don't let laziness get to you. Training like Yates you can go hard for 45 minutes and be done will not result in a decent body unless you're taking the drugs Yates was on which was a lot. It's very taxing way to train using failure as the goal and will result in burn out, high risk of injury and cns fatigue. No good for most people especially those trainjng drug free.

I'm switching to volume for awhile. Burnt out from low sets to failure. Going the muscular endurance volume route for awhile. I have eventually learnt the error of my ways for being so dogmatic with (s)HIT.

I digress a little but when people say Sergio Oliva was a (s)HIT trainer I have to laugh. He trained with volume and plenty of it prior to going down to Florida to be trained by Jones for a couple of weeks. He then lost to Bill Pearl then returned home. In under 12 months returning to volume he was in his best shape ever. Light years better than that second place showing to the great Bill Pearl. Volume works.

Fixed. 💪

[Humble Narcissist]

I always had a problem with the way fans of HIT preached like it's a religion and putting down volume trainers. Now comes along Rmj11 who sounds like a HIT guy but argues for volume.

There is no standardized method of HIT. No, using forced reps doesn't make it HIT or not. The best way to look at this is to do non taxing warm up sets if necessary and then one or two work sets to positive failure or very close to.  That is high intensity training. It should be a tool for every trainers. If intensity was the magic bullet and it isn't 100% then we would all be doing sets of one rep because on the intensity scale that as intense as you can make training.

I would advise every volume trainer to do a cycle of low sets to failure and for every hit guy to do a cycle of volume. Heavy and muscular endurance training as in volume should both be used.  Having said that the majority of champs have been volume trainers. If anyone enjoys doing a non taxing warm up set or two then banging out that one set to failure I would applaud you. It certainly give the most bang for the buck. If you have a job, commute and family can you really do a 2 hours work out four to five times a week?  Training like Yates you can go hard for 45 minutes and be done.  It's very taxing way to train using failure as the goal.

I'm switching to volume for awhile. Burnt out from low sets to failure. Going the muscular endurance volume route for awhile.

I digress a little but when people say Sergio Oliva was a HIT trainer I have to laugh. He trained with volume and plenty of it prior to going down to Florida to be trained by Jones for a couple of weeks. He then lost to Bill Pearl then returned home. In under 12 months returning to volume he was in his best shape ever. Light years better than that second place showing to the great Bill Pearl.

Alternating training styles keeps the mind and body fresh.

[IroNat]

Everything works and nothing works.

[Rmj11]

Alternating training styles keeps the mind and body fresh.

Except (s)HIT. It's not even good for a crappy deload.

[Rmj11]

Everything, apart from (s)HIT, works and nothing works.

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[Rmj11]

Yates never did this many "forced reps." It's all for views...a show...nothing more.

[Royalty]

Yates never did this many "forced reps." It's all for views...a show...nothing more.

[Rmj11]

I totally agree. Yates, Viator and meth head were frauds.

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[Rmj11]

Old-timer doing hit...supposedly

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[WillRiker]

On IG you have his formed training partner Paul B describing training with Dorian. Hilarious to say the least. "The energy from Dorian"... The most intense sets ever...

You are absolutely correct that it is a load of bullocks. Just look at the incline pressing. His last was assisted reps and compare that to the incline pressing of Kevin Levrone, which was far more intense and done after heavy flat benching.

Dorian doing HIT..er, I mean, pyramid sets on the Incline press. So much hype on his "intensity" when in reality he trained no harder than Arnold and Co.

i=R0xnTlV9JaxpvThL

Now compare the intensity of Arnold and Lou. Lou doing Incline press @1.27. (just like yates) went to failure with some assisted reps. No different. Yates is just so full of it.

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[Rmj11]

On IG you have his formed training partner Paul B describing training with Dorian. Hilarious to say the least. "The energy from Dorian"... The most intense sets ever...

You are absolutely correct that it is a load of bullocks. Just look at the incline pressing. His last was assisted reps and compare that to the incline pressing of Kevin Levrone, which was far more intense and done after heavy flat benching.

Yeah, I've seen those cringey posts from Paul Baxandale on IG. He has such a hard on for Yates, Paul grossly exaggerates how "intense" he and Yates trained. All written for entertainment purposes like they used to do in the old muscle magazines. In reality Yates trained no harder than most pro's. As its been mentioned in earlier post Dorian trains his "client" harder than he himself trained on YT. It's all for clicks and views. Nothing more.