Lengthed partials

[Sexy Beast]

Larry Scott used to call them "burns"

Here's a video of Larry busting balls with Don Howarth just the fuck of it

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[Humble Narcissist]

Larry had a newsletter back in the 80's-90's. Some of the best info I've ever seen on training were in those newsletters.

[IroNat]

Burns are not the same thing.

[Royalty]

Mentzer destroyed Arnold in ‘80

[Irongrip400]

Larry Scott used to call them "burns"

Here's a video of Larry busting balls with Don Howarth just the fuck of it

i=v1Go90KM1k1Sok4E

Think he was still juicing?

[Gym Rat]

Larry had a newsletter back in the 80's-90's. Some of the best info I've ever seen on training were in those newsletters.

He also had an excellent protein, and also sold some equipment like his Scott-Bench, etc.
His protein was really good for the times, no bloat (no lactose) and tasted amazing...
(He modeled it after Blairs (He called it Hyper-Growth).  I see it still being sold, but probably different and mass produced.

I think the 3 best proteins I've had are his, Drapers and Dr. Squats (Hatfield).
Just seemed to be of higher quality for some reason... (Again, no bloat)..
They didnt seem to have all the artificial stuff (or as much) and had the enzymes added to fight lactose...

[Donny]

Larry had a newsletter back in the 80's-90's. Some of the best info I've ever seen on training were in those newsletters.

I was never really a fan of his exercises such as his "ring of fire" ab exercise or his shoulder presses.
His ultra wide grip scott curls on the preacher bench are terrible but the worst is his hands rotated inwards dips tops it all.
Even the original Vince Gironda Dips  (who scott learned it from) never used hands inward rotated.

[Sexy Beast]

Think he was still juicing?

I'm guessing no but who knows

[Sexy Beast]

Burns are not the same thing.

i guess my unwritten point was that all these "evidence based" gurus on Youtube are just re-discovering the same shit that people have done for years

here's a definition of lengthened partials and also short length partials

Long-length partials or lengthened partials are half reps repeatedly performed at the portion of the lift when the muscles are most lengthened. For example, the bottom half of the bicep curl or the bottom half of the squat. When performing long-length partials, ideally 50% of the rep should be performed.  This is different to short length partials, where 50% of the rep is performed repeatedly when the muscle is at its shortest part – for example, the top of bicep curls or the top half of a squat.

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/building-muscle/a45918700/long-length-partials/

Larry seems to have done both

Exercise #1
Seated Dumbbell Curls on Incline Bench
Try to keep the elbows close into the sides, if possible. Also, try to supinate the palms (keep the little finger side of the palm high). This will allow some lower bicep work, but the stress, due to the free swinging elbow, will be on the upper and belly of the bicep. I suggest the exercise be done is a "down the rack" fashion. After having warmed up the bicep elbow tendon by doing light curls, go to a set of dumbbells with which you can do 6 tough reps. The sixth rep should be your last rep. Finish the set off with 4 burns at the top of the exercise. Go immediately to a lighter set of dumbbells and complete the same reps and burns. Finally, drop the weight again and complete one more set including burns to finish off the first series. Try not to rest at all between sets and only rest long enough between series for your training partner to get his sets done. Do 3 series of 3 sets.

Exercise #2
Vertical Side Preacher Bench Curls, Straight Bar
Put your thumbs under the bar and curl all the way up to the nose. Do it exactly as you see me doing it here. Do 4 sets of 6 reps and 4 burns at the top. Sometimes I will use a "down the rack" system on this exercise as well, but often the pain of the incline bench curls on the first exercise keeps me from using the series system on this movement.

Exercise #3
Spider Bench Barbell Curl.
Thumbs under and get ready for pain. This is entirely a peak movement. You should love this one if done right. Do 3 or 4 sets of 20 reps. Yes, 20 reps, but let me explain. I do six full reps, the seventh won't go all the way, but I do about four or five from the top down, if possible. Finally the bar fails. I then do about four or five burns from the bottom up. Then let it hang and bounce against the bicep. This one is a killer, but it really is a terrific one with which to finish your bicep work

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https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2011/03/advanced-arm-training-larry-scott.html

[_bruce_]

Think he was still juicing?

Doubtful - he had great genetics for bicep.

[Humble Narcissist]

I was never really a fan of his exercises such as his "ring of fire" ab exercise or his shoulder presses.
His ultra wide grip scott curls on the preacher bench are terrible but the worst is his hands rotated inwards dips tops it all.
Even the original Vince Gironda Dips  (who scott learned it from) never used hands inward rotated.

Different strokes for different folks.

[bigbychoices]

                     Actually the "Gironda" dips do in fact have the wrists rotated.   Chin on chest and legs in front. Elbows out wide. It is almost a pure pec developer. Awkward so most people avoid it. But it works better than almost anything. His dumbbell "Scott" press is also one of the best shoulder exercises too. It is awkward but once you learn to do it it is almost a pure side delt exercise..  I use the nautilus "rear delt" machine I have at home it mimicks this movement . I put forearms parallel with the pads and reverse fly kind of . NOT  have arms perpindicular as in rear delt movement. LOVE this movement pure side delts!!  The stuff Larry did he learned from Vince.    Vince was way ahead of his time for sure.
                    The old rheo blair protein wasn't exactly a great protein  . But was ahead of its time . But what made it work well was the addition of whipping cream ( all fat) 

[IroNat]

                     Actually the "Gironda" dips do in fact have the wrists rotated.   Chin on chest and legs in front. Elbows out wide. It is almost a pure pec developer. Awkward so most people avoid it. But it works better than almost anything. His dumbbell "Scott" press is also one of the best shoulder exercises too. It is awkward but once you learn to do it it is almost a pure side delt exercise..  I use the nautilus "rear delt" machine I have at home it mimicks this movement . I put forearms parallel with the pads and reverse fly kind of . NOT  have arms perpindicular as in rear delt movement. LOVE this movement pure side delts!!  The stuff Larry did he learned from Vince.    Vince was way ahead of his time for sure.
                    The old rheo blair protein wasn't exactly a great protein  . But was ahead of its time .
But what made it work well was the addition of whipping cream ( all fat) Dianabol.

[wes]

Parsh Of Peace   

[Humble Narcissist]

Just the finishing 97%.

[Donny]

                     Actually the "Gironda" dips do in fact have the wrists rotated.   Chin on chest and legs in front. Elbows out wide. It is almost a pure pec developer. Awkward so most people avoid it. But it works better than almost anything. His dumbbell "Scott" press is also one of the best shoulder exercises too. It is awkward but once you learn to do it it is almost a pure side delt exercise..  I use the nautilus "rear delt" machine I have at home it mimicks this movement . I put forearms parallel with the pads and reverse fly kind of . NOT  have arms perpindicular as in rear delt movement. LOVE this movement pure side delts!!  The stuff Larry did he learned from Vince.    Vince was way ahead of his time for sure.
                    The old rheo blair protein wasn't exactly a great protein  . But was ahead of its time . But what made it work well was the addition of whipping cream ( all fat)

[bigbychoices]

        That video is a VERSION of Gironda dips. For those who can't do the original with the wrists turned. Look up "scott dips" or "versions" of Gironda dips. The real way is awkward but works very well. I have seen in person Lee priest doing them and also Lou Ferrigno.  I have used them myself a lot back in the day but after a devastating wrist injury during my time in the military I can no longer turn my right wrist like that. But learn to do it and do it proper and you will really feel the difference . It is almost pure pecs!
     

[Donny]

        That video is a VERSION of Gironda dips. For those who can't do the original with the wrists turned. Look up "scott dips" or "versions" of Gironda dips. The real way is awkward but works very well. I have seen in person Lee priest doing them and also Lou Ferrigno.  I have used them myself a lot back in the day but after a devastating wrist injury during my time in the military I can no longer turn my right wrist like that. But learn to do it and do it proper and you will really feel the difference . It is almost pure pecs!
     

I suspect that Larry Scott did the dips in this way as he changed preacher curls & spider curls to suit himself, even did his own version of the DB shoulder press.
I have Vince Gironda´s book The wild physique & it does not show the wrists turned in .
It´s like everything maybe Larry found it better or Vince changed it to suit more people, who knows.

https://ignorelimits.com/gironda-dips/

[bigbychoices]

          Yes Vince did "change" it but he changed it to the version in his book because it was easier to do. Most people couldn't do a regular dip very well and then injured themselves trying it his way or they just couldn't do them.  So he changed it to this way but he preferred the original way. This way does in fact work the pecs better than the dips most people do ( mostly tricep actually) but not as good as wrists turned . Just like Vinces bench press. Doing it his way does in fact work the pecs much more than normal. Pretty much everything Vince says was and is true. He was ahead of his time for sure.

[Donny]

          Yes Vince did "change" it but he changed it to the version in his book because it was easier to do. Most people couldn't do a regular dip very well and then injured themselves trying it his way or they just couldn't do them.  So he changed it to this way but he preferred the original way. This way does in fact work the pecs better than the dips most people do ( mostly tricep actually) but not as good as wrists turned . Just like Vinces bench press. Doing it his way does in fact work the pecs much more than normal. Pretty much everything Vince says was and is true. He was ahead of his time for sure.

Not saying you´re wrong but if he did change it, it was for a good reason as you wrote people had difficulty & got injured.
I spoke to Bob Kennedy 3 times on the phone some years ago shame he´s passed..was a nice man.
He told me about Vince kicking Clint Eastwood out of his Gym & Clint came back waiting outside in a pick up truck to speak to Vince.

[Van_Bilderass]

The dip stand at my gym is anggled like that "actual Gironda dip." I have go back doing them as I always liked them. Another gum had a very nice dip machine I really liked. My first gym had a parallel variable width dip mounted on the wall, with a cable weight stack attached. I remember doing the stack, about 155lbs, for 20 reps, I felt I was going to parallel at least. Fleth smooth and nice, as opposed to hanging plates which might swing a little.

[bigbychoices]

    The dip bar Vince had and what he told everyone about he had specifics for the angle/width etc. I can not remember the measurements but he was right. They were "V" shaped.  I made one after finding out and damn he was right. lol  I am sure for big guys it would have had to be different widths but for moist it was perfect.   Yes I remember hearing about Vince throwing Clint out.  lol. Vince had guts thats for sure.  lol
         He was a character but from what I understood he could also be a great guy. He just didn't tolerate shit from people. It was his way or your out. Period. Which i understand that . Gyms now days seem to let the members do whatever they want  and try to please them. Vince didn't. 

[Donny]

    The dip bar Vince had and what he told everyone about he had specifics for the angle/width etc. I can not remember the measurements but he was right. They were "V" shaped.  I made one after finding out and damn he was right. lol  I am sure for big guys it would have had to be different widths but for moist it was perfect.   Yes I remember hearing about Vince throwing Clint out.  lol. Vince had guts thats for sure.  lol
         He was a character but from what I understood he could also be a great guy. He just didn't tolerate shit from people. It was his way or your out. Period. Which i understand that . Gyms now days seem to let the members do whatever they want  and try to please them. Vince didn't.

Joe Gold was a bit the same