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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2024, 10:58:19 AM »
Ha, oh yes they're tested  ::)  Like they don't know
1. what to avoid using
2. how to beat the tests

Usually at that level the Man / team with the best chemistry sets win.
Fact - pls wake up & live in the real world - like it or not.

Dude - I know this sport really well (and yes deeply know all the prior drug history of the sport - and yes, its still there).

However, I can tell you, for many reasons, that it is very likely he is clean, and very likely he is not on any special new drug or any sophisticated avoidance protocol. (The Chinese yes - likely super smart drug use and scientific avoidance techniques - and also some countries like North Korea, Belarus, Romania likely taking risks with more standardized drug protocols).

I believe the entire US team is clean (and I know those involved with them relatively well).

So for this kid, this is the result of a combination of good coaching, damn hard grit and training, excellent diet, excellent (legal) recovery protocols (massage, sleep, sauna, heatlighting, jacuzzi, ice baths etc), legal supplementation (creatine, collagen, Vitamin B12, Fish-oils, etc), good genetics (may not look it, but there has to be a genetic basis for how he has such amazing strength to weight ratio, speed, proportions, joints that can handle this type of weight, etc.

And this kid has an amazing mental focus. I have seen him at prior competitions in person. He really is the most unusual quirky guy to look at prior to lifts in the back room, kind of like a nerd / Buddhist monk meditation - so clam, so focussed. (Not sure if there are any clips of this, but I have seen it in person - if anyone has clips, do post. Its quite something to watch).

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2024, 10:59:38 AM »
If my math is right that's 280% of  his body weight, that's spiderman strong.

3x has been done on rare occasions before (lighter guys, and drug assisted back in the 80's and 90's). But yes, super impressive.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2024, 11:04:00 AM »
I get the sarcasm. Bodybuilding warps so many people concerning what a real athlete's body looks like.  I'm willing to bet that none of the top ten Mr. Olympia contestants can clean and jerk 250lbs. He lifts in the 134lbs weight category.

I agree with you. Not ANY of the Olympia competitors could so this. Not that some might not have the pure strength - some might, but even if they did, they don't have the technique or flexibility.

As a good example of this, for a more pure strength exercise, numerous Mr O's could probably out lift him. He can probably deadlift 250-260kg - still very impressive, but some of the Mr O's would have to be around the 300kg mark.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2024, 11:04:49 AM »
Dude - I know this sport really well (and yes deeply know all the prior drug history of the sport - and yes, its still there).

However, I can tell you, for many reasons, that it is very likely he is clean, and very likely he is not on any special new drug or any sophisticated avoidance protocol. (The Chinese yes - likely super smart drug use and scientific avoidance techniques - and also some countries like North Korea, Belarus, Romania likely taking risks with more standardized drug protocols).

I believe the entire US team is clean (and I know those involved with them relatively well).

So for this kid, this is the result of a combination of good coaching, damn hard grit and training, excellent diet, excellent (legal) recovery protocols (massage, sleep, sauna, heatlighting, jacuzzi, ice baths etc), legal supplementation (creatine, collagen, Vitamin B12, Fish-oils, etc), good genetics (may not look it, but there has to be a genetic basis for how he has such amazing strength to weight ratio, speed, proportions, joints that can handle this type of weight, etc.

And this kid has an amazing mental focus. I have seen him at prior competitions in person. He really is the most unusual quirky guy to look at prior to lifts in the back room, kind of like a nerd / Buddhist monk meditation - so clam, so focussed. (Not sure if there are any clips of this, but I have seen it in person - if anyone has clips, do post. Its quite something to watch).


Only on getbig can this positive story break down into negative.  The fans of drugs can leap forward to say, He's using drugs like I am. Then we have his physique stinks. How well would the majority of wrestlers, MMA, boxers and sprinters fair on a bodybuilding stage?  Since fans of drugs look like absolute shit off drugs they have to put down real athletes. The AAU Mr. America was legit when they had athletic points where they had to do the Olympic lifts for points the day of the contest. Could you imagine that now. The majority of contests the guys couldn't do a 225lbs clean and jerk the day of.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2024, 11:07:24 AM »
I agree with you. Not ANY of the Olympia competitors could so this. Not that some might not have the pure strength - some might, but even if they did, they don't have the technique or flexibility.

As a good example of this, for a more pure strength exercise, numerous Mr O's could probably out lift him. He can probably deadlift 250-260kg - still very impressive, but some of the Mr O's would have to be around the 300kg mark.
He weights under 140lbs soaking wet. It's not only the technique and flexibility but the lacking of power. That kid has a fantastic vertical leap and probably amazing sprinting speed.  Bet he could out deadlift the majority on the Olympia stage.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2024, 11:08:49 AM »
Clean and Jerk retarded low Iq bullshit, you Jerk and Clean you dirty fucks.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2024, 11:30:14 AM »
Ha, oh yes they're tested  ::)  Like they don't know
1. what to avoid using
2. how to beat the tests

Usually at that level the Man / team with the best chemistry sets win.
Fact - pls wake up & live in the real world - like it or not.

My opinion is many of them don't know. Some act like it's easy to beat WADA tests, it is NOT. Usually the successful dopers have state sponsored labcoats helping them e.g. Russia, China. Some sports like weightlifting have so many positives they don't even want them in the Olympics at all. If it was in any way easy this would not be happening. The Chinese likely have some insane drug tactics like gene doping but that is only possible in some countries. Some years back Russian secret service broke into a lab and atole drug samples, they didn't know how to beat the test so they used this way instead. One other possibility is bribes, but they would probably cost hundreds of millions for them to overlook a positive of a Gold medaler (speculating here). A lot of PED use is through legal drug use, e g. thyroid, Viagra, cortisone cream, decongestant use by supposed asthmatics, or insulin use by supposed diabetics and etc.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2024, 11:40:54 AM »
wonder what his vertical is ???

these dudes usually can leap

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2024, 11:57:50 AM »

Only on getbig can this positive story break down into negative.  The fans of drugs can leap forward to say, He's using drugs like I am. Then we have his physique stinks. How well would the majority of wrestlers, MMA, boxers and sprinters fair on a bodybuilding stage?  Since fans of drugs look like absolute shit off drugs they have to put down real athletes. The AAU Mr. America was legit when they had athletic points where they had to do the Olympic lifts for points the day of the contest. Could you imagine that now. The majority of contests the guys couldn't do a 225lbs clean and jerk the day of.

It's not about being a fan of drugs or being jealous it's when you separate bodybuilders from true athletes you need to remember peds are pervasive. I did not looked like shit as a 15 year old teen training for 2 years. I looked better than you who is bitter after a lifetime of trying to getbig but failing miserably.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2024, 02:07:45 PM »
Dude - I know this sport really well (and yes deeply know all the prior drug history of the sport - and yes, its still there).

However, I can tell you, for many reasons, that it is very likely he is clean, and very likely he is not on any special new drug or any sophisticated avoidance protocol. (The Chinese yes - likely super smart drug use and scientific avoidance techniques - and also some countries like North Korea, Belarus, Romania likely taking risks with more standardized drug protocols).

I believe the entire US team is clean (and I know those involved with them relatively well).

So for this kid, this is the result of a combination of good coaching, damn hard grit and training, excellent diet, excellent (legal) recovery protocols (massage, sleep, sauna, heatlighting, jacuzzi, ice baths etc), legal supplementation (creatine, collagen, Vitamin B12, Fish-oils, etc), good genetics (may not look it, but there has to be a genetic basis for how he has such amazing strength to weight ratio, speed, proportions, joints that can handle this type of weight, etc.

And this kid has an amazing mental focus. I have seen him at prior competitions in person. He really is the most unusual quirky guy to look at prior to lifts in the back room, kind of like a nerd / Buddhist monk meditation - so clam, so focussed. (Not sure if there are any clips of this, but I have seen it in person - if anyone has clips, do post. Its quite something to watch).

Dude ? are you a Hippy ?

Personalty I don't care if he is or isn't using PED's.
I'm also well versed with Olympic weight lifting as The British mens & womens
teams often use one of the Gym's I use + a Close friend won 4 commonwealth Gold medals.

I am realistic to what goes on - that doesn't detract from all the hard work
Dedication & everything else that goes into making a Champion.

Go lecture someone else.

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2024, 02:12:48 PM »
Great lifting!!

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Re: 19 year old American breaks Clean and Jerk world record.
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2024, 12:57:18 AM »
Fantastic lift. Record stood for 1/2 a century. Good to see someone from US doing well in Weightlifting...
The last time a U.S. man medaled in weightlifting at the Olympics was in 1984. (Brutal if true).
That's because guys who lift in the US worship the thong. :-[