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JOHN MATRIX

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2006, 11:53:07 AM »
I voiced an opinion rooted in science.  Whether you choose to use and/or believe is your choice.  It is your sweat in the gym.  I do want to emphasize that I was referring to JS or Pendaly BB rows....not the typical 45-degree back angle rows.  I feel the only thing you need for a good back is heavy deads, bent BB rows and weighted wide-grip pullups.  
that may be all YOU need.
im certainly not saying ONly do pullovers...
i also do deads, barbellrows, calbe rows, pulldowns, and pullups.

wide-grip pullups seem to be popular but they dont do shit for me, i respond the best to hammer-grip pullups by far.

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2006, 05:47:54 AM »
i dont give a shit about having any 'study' to support this, i just look in the fucking mirror.
after i put pullovers back in my routine, i *suddenly* developed great serratus definition. and for some reason, the day after a workout concluded with pullovers, i am exceptionally sore in that exact area. guess its all coincidence, since we dont have a nice little documented university survey to support it ::)

Hmmmm, you "suddenly" developed?  Either you are a beginner or full of crap.  Nothing is "sudden" when it comes to muscle building (aside from using gear).  Oh wait, maybe you have such great genetics that even looking at pullovers makes you develop "serratus definition". 

And as far as wid-grip pullups.  Do you somehow have a different muscle structure than the rest of the population?  Did you do them to the point you could add weight and still do 4 sets of 10?  Or did you try them for a couple of weeks....could only get a couple reps....and then concluded that they "somehow" didn't do anything for you?  Come on man, you can't be serious? 

All this "it may work for you, but not for everyone" is crap when it comes to movements.  Building mass and strength is pretty simple.  Lift the heaviest weight you can (with good form), and repeat.  This isn't rocket science here and we are all structurally the same (aside for deformities).

But hey, like I said before.....it is your sweat in the gym, waste it as you will. 

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2006, 05:53:09 AM »
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Hmmmm, you "suddenly" developed?  Either you are a beginner or full of crap.  Nothing is "sudden" when it comes to muscle building (aside from using gear).  Oh wait, maybe you have such great genetics that even looking at pullovers makes you develop "serratus definition". 

And as far as wid-grip pullups.  Do you somehow have a different muscle structure than the rest of the population?  Did you do them to the point you could add weight and still do 4 sets of 10?  Or did you try them for a couple of weeks....could only get a couple reps....and then concluded that they "somehow" didn't do anything for you?  Come on man, you can't be serious?

All the usual signs of arrogance here. Yes, sometimes you do suddenly develop, suddenly being a relative term meaning in short order, over a short period of time when something's particularly effective-it's happened to me. At the same time, it's physically very clear what works or doesn't.

Wide-grip pullups aren't necessary at all-many prefer medium-grip, which was also espoused by Arthur Jones. Close-grip as well, really hits the lats. Personally hammer-grip is the best, no comparison; experiment there as well with every option and go with feel in the muscle.

What the "book" says, or what scientific studies suggest, are useful guides and starting points only. Bottom line is feel, baby. But hey, it's your sweat; you have some learning to do if you don't know this.

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2006, 08:43:54 AM »
Was doing my 3x15 of pullover and presses today. For 1st time i felt it bit in the fron delt aswell,kinda weird and not entirely sure why this happened. It was a heavier weight,it was same as last week?!
Any ideas?

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2006, 03:02:03 PM »
All the usual signs of arrogance here. Yes, sometimes you do suddenly develop, suddenly being a relative term meaning in short order, over a short period of time when something's particularly effective-it's happened to me. At the same time, it's physically very clear what works or doesn't.

Wide-grip pullups aren't necessary at all-many prefer medium-grip, which was also espoused by Arthur Jones. Close-grip as well, really hits the lats. Personally hammer-grip is the best, no comparison; experiment there as well with every option and go with feel in the muscle.

What the "book" says, or what scientific studies suggest, are useful guides and starting points only. Bottom line is feel, baby. But hey, it's your sweat; you have some learning to do if you don't know this.
pumpster has it covered very well here.

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2006, 03:06:08 PM »
Was doing my 3x15 of pullover and presses today. For 1st time i felt it bit in the fron delt aswell,kinda weird and not entirely sure why this happened. It was a heavier weight,it was same as last week?!
Any ideas?

davie
not sure...though i hve noticed that any small tweaking of form on these(especially with freeweights as you have more freedom of movement than on a nautilus) will change the feel and where the stress is felt. ive never felt these in the front delts

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Re: pullovers!
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2006, 10:04:02 AM »
NO neither have i, il c how they are this wknd,usually feel them in chest etc,but il c if its just a case of slightly altered hand posiiton or the plain the DB moved on. Soon find out i guess.

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