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?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« on: May 27, 2006, 06:40:37 AM »
For you heavy hitters out there; what do you do to maintain your post-cycle gains?  I have just recently come off of a 24 weeker and am concerned in both maintaining size and intensity w/o my "elixirs".  Also, my joints are acting up....

what is your usual amount of expected loss between cycles?

Do any of you use "bridging" gear to help maintain or just go clean for a while?  I know the old adage "time on = time off" . My history is consistant with heavy losses if I stay off that long.

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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2006, 07:41:26 AM »
Hey bravo hows it going?  Good to see you on the board still.  I feel the most important part of keeping your gains is getting your natty test up ASAP.  A good program and PCT is your best bet.  Then try to keep hitting the weights and the protein hard.

Guessing the sore joints are due to elevated cortisol levels which is normal when comming off. Not sure of the exact mechanism but, high test and anabolics seem to suppress this. Just your body trying to normalize.

It varies on what you lose but in my experience it's anywhere from 50-100% of what you gained. Focus on staying healthy when you come off.  Me I always seem to get sick or something.  Also its a likely time to get injured in the gym.  These things always set me back.

It took me a good 5 months to get my test levels back up in the mid range of normal from my last cycle, which was about 40 weeks long.

Yes you could bridge........but then you would not really be comming off now would you?

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2006, 07:56:44 AM »
Yes you could bridge........but then you would not really be comming off now would you?

Good to be back, L2H!

Your question leads to another....why come off at all ?....if you are not having any  more kids and have been cycling on and off for years....the positives in my case have definitely outweighed the negatives.....do post-menopausal women come off their estrogen cycles or would they prefer to look like hirsutismal freaks for  the rest of their lives?

HRT is all the rage and the rejuvenation center MD's are not saying to come off their replacement therapy; our therapy is just at physiological higher doses......why come off if no negatives have come to surface?

Do competitive Pro BBers ever really come off during their "money" years?  Probably not.  No, I am not a Pro, but I enjoy the benefits just the same.  It has becvome part of my lifestyle and really keeps me pointed in the right direction and centered mentally.  Why come off?

speaking of getting the natty test up; what is the best sequence you have used to kick it up?

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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2006, 11:25:18 AM »
bravo yes agree with the part if you are not going to father children then the affects on the reproductive system is not a huge worry, except maybe the prostate, androgens exert a huge negative affect on this very important organ. Lose that baby and sex will not be fun or possible afterward  :(

One must also consider the heart and the effect anabolics play on it along with lipid levels.  Too many fairly young BB have died for me to think none of it has been related to gear.

From what I have seen HRT seems to be dose wise about 1/4 of what most average gymrats take.  the old adage "everything in  moderation" seems to ring pretty true in most of my experience in this life.  Is this what I do? not really, but I'm guessing most people here are not your average people.  Most people in general are very uncomfortable with drugs that must be injected...........when I was a kid I always thought that was the line that separated the junkies from the average doper.

Interesting that you point out how gear keeps you centered, I know what you mean.  Just not sure if it is healthy mindset?  There is this little voice in me that says "people should not need drugs to be happy" (planted during my upbringing) but here I am wrestling with my demons.

Everyone must remember the choices you make today could come back to haunt you 20-30 years from now.  Some tough guys may not want to hear this.

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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2006, 12:52:54 PM »
For you heavy hitters out there; what do you do to maintain your post-cycle gains?  I have just recently come off of a 24 weeker and am concerned in both maintaining size and intensity w/o my "elixirs".  Also, my joints are acting up....

what is your usual amount of expected loss between cycles?

Do any of you use "bridging" gear to help maintain or just go clean for a while?  I know the old adage "time on = time off" . My history is consistant with heavy losses if I stay off that long.
Getting to your PCT as soon as you can will help a great deal, that's why I always recommend ending a cycle with prop so yo can start PCT immediately rather then waiting 3wks or so...I got to give props to DIV for turning me on to this a while back.

Another thing is simple food consumption. A lot of guys say that you don't need as much food when you come off cycle as when you are on cycle, but I disagree. If you are going to maintain the muscle you've built you have to feed it, true, you will probably add body fat unless you're a freak but it's a small price to pay if you want to keep what you've gained. I'm one of those that will put on fat very, very easily if I'm not carefull after a cycle, that's why I really focus on keeping my diet clean at all times...I eat a lot but I eat clean.

Last thing is being just as dedicated as you were when on cycle. Don't be a cycle warrior who only hits it hard when on...these are the guys that infuriate me...you all know who I'm talking about, every gym is full of them and you can spot them a mile away.


Interesting that you point out how gear keeps you centered, I know what you mean.  Just not sure if it is healthy mindset?  There is this little voice in me that says "people should not need drugs to be happy" (planted during my upbringing) but here I am wrestling with my demons.

Everyone must remember the choices you make today could come back to haunt you 20-30 years from now.  Some tough guys may not want to hear this.
I agree, you can't let your gear rule your life, if it is what keeps you happy then there are other things that you need to deal with in your life. I'll be honest, the Dark Side  has been a place of constant battle for me, I take full responsibility for my decisions but I try to stay in a place where I am in full controll of my decisions and never let the Dark Side run my life...it works for me, I am and will not be a slave to it. Everyone always says that there is no turning back and to an extent this is very true...once you've tasted it you will not want to ever give it up, but a responsible individual will not let himself be controlled by it and will have the ability to throw it to the curb if need be.


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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2006, 02:16:23 PM »
It has becvome part of my lifestyle and really keeps me pointed in the right direction and centered mentally. 

Let me clarify: what I meant by the above quote is that I am generally more disciplined while on gear and as AJr has pointed out; I must maintain my mental intensity while off as well...perhaps this is why I have experience losses post cycle before.  I do not have an addictive personality except for extreme sports that most off you would not believe....suffice it to say that I cannot get life insurance as a result of my other activities. That is probably another whole can of psychological worms in itself ;)

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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2006, 03:39:47 PM »
I always recommend ending a cycle with prop so yo can start PCT immediately rather then waiting 3wks or so...I got to give props to DIV for turning me on to this a while back.


I came up with that protocol.  Glad to see DIV is passing along my teachings....im sure he credited the author of the idea at some point.

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Re: ?'s re: maintaining post-cycle gains
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 03:46:10 PM »
Let me clarify: what I meant by the above quote is that I am generally more disciplined while on gear and as AJr has pointed out; I must maintain my mental intensity while off as well...perhaps this is why I have experience losses post cycle before.  I do not have an addictive personality except for extreme sports that most off you would not believe....suffice it to say that I cannot get life insurance as a result of my other activities. That is probably another whole can of psychological worms in itself ;)

I really pretty much know what you meant bravo, didn't think it ran your life.  But that voice keeps saying why need drugs to illicit any kind of effect on someones personality.  Im not above it, have used various drugs since I was 12.