Who had a better Physique: Lee Labrada or Shawn Ray

[Hulkster]

The shape of Shawn's muscles are what make his lines great not his structure.

ND doesn't give a shit about the shape of the muscles. There is a 190+ page thread that proves that quite clearly..

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND doesn't give a shit about the shape of the muscles. There is a 190+ page thread that proves that quite clearly..

How about your keep that nonsense on the other tread and stick to this one .

[Hulkster]

How about your keep that nonsense on the other tread and stick to this one .

because its relevant. You evaluate physiques using non-traditional criteria

ie. you do not emphasize traditional bodybuilding ideals of shape, symmetry, taper,  detail, vascularity etc.

instead you emphasize traits that cannot be clearly shown or defined, like "better balance" or "better proportioned"

eg. you say Labrada was "better balanced" than Ray or that Dorian was better balanced than Ronnie.


thats sound good and all, until you view the pics or watch the videos.

Then no one can see what you are saying:


when you see the pics, they both look about the same.

the same can be said about the two guys in the other thread: sure, Ronnie had small calves for his quads, but dorian had small arms for his entire body.

You make an assertion that one guy is better balanced or better proportioned than  than the other but you can't show why using pics and videos.

You can only make the claim.

That in itself is not good enough.

[NarcissisticDeity]

because its relevant. You evaluate physiques using non-traditional criteria

ie. you do not emphasize traditional bodybuilding ideals of shape, symmetry, taper,  detail, vascularity etc.

instead you emphasize traits that cannot be clearly shown or defined, like "better balance" or "better proportioned"

eg. you say Labrada was "better balanced" than Ray or that Dorian was better balanced than Ronnie.


thats sound good and all, until you view the pics or watch the videos.

Then no one can see what you are saying:


when you see the pics, they both look about the same.

the same can be said about the two guys in the other thread: sure, Ronnie had small calves for his quads, but dorian had small arms for his entire body.

You make an assertion that one guy is better balanced or better proportioned than  than the other but you can't show why using pics and videos.

You can only make the claim.

That in itself is not good enough.

I evaluate the phsyique on all aspects of the I.F.B.B. judging criteria and to be honest with you , you don't have a clue what the I.F.B.B. judging criteria is I've read if pleanty of times I suggest you do the same .

[Hulkster]

I've read if pleanty of times I suggest you do the same .

reading it and knowing how to properly apply it are two different things.

if you knew how to apply it, that 190+ page thread would be 2 posts long..

[MindSpin]

You guys are relentless!!!  ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.

[willie mosconi]

Ray had a better mid-section by far. Labrada looked somewhat blocky in COMPARISON to Ray. But then again, most people looked blocky next to Ray.

[disco_stu]

people who think Lee Labrada had a better physique than Shawn Ray are either blind, biased, or dumb. Probably just dumb 

ok thatd be the judges and all the bb experts of the time then...but not you and a bunch of adolescents here at GB.

you know better .

SR couldnt take it to haney and yates...LL could,and did.

[Hulkster]

You guys are relentless!!!  ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.

ND's judgment is clouded by his eyelids.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND's judgment is clouded by his eyelids.

This is comming from the genius who thinks Matt Mendenhall was ' blocky ' lol

[Hulkster]

This is comming from the genius who thinks Matt Mendenhall was ' blocky ' lol

I am basing my assessment on some pics in an old musclemag from the early 90's where he certainly did look blocky.

all the pics I can find online are from the early 80's though..

[fathead]

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