Author Topic: who looked better in their primes ? Francois or Cutler (Read 6061 times)

the shadow · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2006, 02:24:29 AM »

Quote from: MAXX on December 10, 2006, 01:51:03 AM

i think Cutler would make him look small. Great physique though.

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true...it would be close though but i think cuts would make him look small

logical? · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2006, 03:26:26 AM »

Quote from: disco_stu on December 10, 2006, 12:44:21 AM

how can the current mr.o look worse than an also ran early 90s pro?

lord how the years make the old guys great.

guys M.F. had plenty to show and plenty to work on.

next to levrone et al he was about a top 5-8 finisher...thats it.

this thread is stupid.

lets start one that says, who looks better, lee haney or ronnie coleman...

how about vince taylor v ronnie coleman?

silly stuff.

you can only really compare mr.o's to other mr.os or top 2-3 contenders and supposedly the latest top 2-3 guys should be better than yesteryears...

No, you can compare anyone with anyone.

And seriously, Jay Cutler would not make Francois look small- no way in hell. Someone post some pics to support this- Francois carried incredible mass with density.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2006, 03:28:46 AM »

easily francios..
he just simply had better genetics...

BEAST 8692 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:46:28 AM »

one thing dorian, francois and ronnie had in common is that they all trained extremely heavy.

all those super heavy d/lifts off the rack obviously contributed greatly to francoi's back thickness, especially the erectors.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2006, 05:03:38 PM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on December 10, 2006, 03:28:46 AM

easily francios..
he just simply had better genetics...

It's so obvious yet they can't see.

Francios had better density, separation and detail than Cutler because he was just born that way.

It's pure speculation of course but if Francios was on the same regimen as Cutler is now he'd probably dwarf him, and of course his waist wouldn't be as small anymore

Sometimes progress just ain't PROGRESS.

pobrecito · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2006, 05:06:51 PM »

I was watching the 1995 Mr. Olympia video and this beast came out, and I was like god damn who is that? ....turns out it was Francois.

willie mosconi · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2006, 05:27:26 PM »

Cutler has looked very good for the past 6 years or so.

People act like he sucks. He is Mr. O for a reason. He presented a spectacular physique this year.

Yes, Francois looked good as well. His only major victory came over a smallish Flex who was returning from his car accident. Besides, he didn't deserve to beat Flex anyway. Flex looked better at that show from the pictures I recall seeing

Hulkster · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2006, 05:43:45 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on December 09, 2006, 04:47:13 PM

i don't think even Ronnie matches the thickness of that back, the spinal erectors look a foot thick.

I think Ronnie could match that shot

but mike does have an AMAZING back

Pet shop boys · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:10:29 PM »

I don't think there's a single pose where Gutler can take francois.

i don't care if Gutler is a Mr.O (that brain washing don't work with me).

It's all about comparison.... and as someone said, francois had the genetics that Gutler could only dream of.

Wooooooooooshhhhhhhh!!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #34 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:13:15 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 11, 2006, 05:43:45 PM

I think Ronnie could match that shot

but mike does have an AMAZING back

You missed his point Ronnie doesn't have that type of thickness in his spinae errectors which is true and Ronnie does compare very well until the lower back and calves of course.

Hulkster · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:20:55 PM »

I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..

Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.

sorry, but tis true.

carvedoutofwood · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:24:24 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 11, 2006, 06:20:55 PM

I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..

Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.

sorry, but tis true.

agreed.... ive said it b4, im sorry but jay shouldnt be capable of winning the O...

notice how their isnt one picture of cutler on this thread... thats cause cutler fans know the truth, theyre jsut affraid of it

corinth · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:25:37 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 11, 2006, 06:20:55 PM

I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..

Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.

sorry, but tis true.

I still can't believe it either and more and more people are going to feel the same way as the months go by and their happiness over Big Ron getting beat wears off and it sinks in that Jay is really Mr. Olympia. What a step backwards Jay is.

And Jay Gutler shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Francois.

logical? · « **Reply #38 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:53:16 PM »

It looks like Ronnie's spinal erectors are wider, but not as thick as Francois. Tie?

Hulkster · « **Reply #39 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:00:05 PM »

Quote from: logical? on December 11, 2006, 06:53:16 PM

It looks like Ronnie's spinal erectors are wider, but not as thick as Francois. Tie?

tie breaker goes to the champ

logical? · « **Reply #40 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:00:46 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 11, 2006, 07:00:05 PM

tie breaker goes to the champ

How's that work

willie mosconi · « **Reply #41 on:** December 11, 2006, 10:41:37 PM »

It's amazing how many Ronnie Coleman lovers are crying in their beers

Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career

titusisback · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2006, 12:22:56 AM »

Quote from: willie mosconi on December 11, 2006, 10:41:37 PM

Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career

Exactly... Cutler was better this year. Better than Ronnie at his best? Million light years away. Cutler Mr. O era will be forgotten whenever the next freak claims the title.

logical? · « **Reply #43 on:** December 12, 2006, 12:25:59 AM »

Quote from: willie mosconi on December 11, 2006, 10:41:37 PM

It's amazing how many Ronnie Coleman lovers are crying in their beers

Look, Cutler was better than Coleman this year. That is all that counts. Not that Ronnie is a better bb overall in his career- it was Mr O 2006, not Mr O for career

Well I'm not a Ronnie Coleman fanatic- I am a supporter though. I'm not upset that Jay won. I don't think he should have- but I don't really care. Ronnie has presented some incredible physiques- 98, 99, 2003 etc, that will always live on whether he places 15th next year or not.

I would have given it to someone other than Ronnie- but not Jay. Jay is like a poor-man's ROnnie.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #44 on:** December 12, 2006, 02:58:37 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on December 11, 2006, 06:20:55 PM

I still can't believe that Jay is a Mr. Olympia..

Haney at his best was great.
Dorian at his best was great.
Ronnie at his best was even better.
jay at his best was..sort of blah.

sorry, but tis true.

Even one timer Samir Bannout blows Jay away along with a whole list of former top 3 performers.

logical? · « **Reply #45 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:28:00 AM »

Yeah. I guess Jay won because he was the best of a bad bunch.

I guess we should be hating on the competition for being so piss-poor as well as Jay- all he did was show up a bit better than everyone else, who were crap

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #46 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:33:37 AM »

Quote from: logical? on December 12, 2006, 03:28:00 AM

Yeah. I guess Jay won because he was the best of a bad bunch.

I guess we should be hating on the competition for being so piss-poor as well as Jay- all he did was show up a bit better than everyone else, who were crap

I think Anthony could have taken it with no problem, he looked great. Next year he will really be in the running for it though.

logical? · « **Reply #47 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:34:49 AM »

Yeah, he got the 'blow the judges for good scores' section down nailed

rccs · « **Reply #48 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:37:51 AM »

François was great, very good conditioning and size. I haven't heard of him for years... What really happened to him?

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #49 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:38:59 AM »

Quote from: rccs on December 12, 2006, 03:37:51 AM

François was great, very good conditioning and size. I haven't heard of him for years... What really happened to him?

Listen to the PBW interview with him, he explains it all.