Case #2:"TWEETER" Adonis Principles in Action

[BigNBloated]

um tweeter the pupil,,my friend,,i have sad news to you,,

if you are 190lb at 20% bodyfat you will be 120lb naturally   at 6%,,there is no need for formulas,,it is simply 1% bf per 5lb loss for natural bodybuilder,,now 5%? you wont see it naturally unless you going for skinny sickly look or have stomack disease,, but 6-7% at 130lb or so is possible if you are real 20% at 190lb,,

then again you are no where near 20% bf you are at the 15-16% zone holding lots of water,,you will be 6% natually at 145-150lb. NATURALLY THAT IS!

Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?

 I feel like im in the same boat, although i feel i have greater amount of muscle mass than tweeter i carry a bunch of water and it is really a pain in the ass to get ripped when your skin wants to hold on to it so much.

[gh15]

Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?

 I feel like im in the same boat, although i feel i have greater amount of muscle mass than tweeter i carry a bunch of water and it is really a pain in the ass to get ripped when your skin wants to hold on to it so much.

naturally,,very strict diet and low carb low sodium with high doses vitamin c and some lemon juice,,,but it will take long time and some dont have enough muscle to lose naturally through out this process,,and still look decent,,we are talking about bodybuilding here after all. +

thats where the drugs primobolan and anavar come into the picture,,they are costly for a reason and will bring you down tremendesly in both bodyfat  and water weight within 12 weeks of use with strict diet ofcourse,,

add in trenbolone and some test with anti aromatase and you will also add some muscle and muscle fullness,, while shedding this fat and water and getting pretty dry with out the use of duretics,,

im talking strictly about cutting here! i would never use anti aromatase while in bulk phase

[Sculpter]

gh15?,...when you say high doses of vitamin C, does that mean 5 grams or more /day?I am asking this because I have read that 5 grams/day or more of it is stated to aid in cortisol supression.Wondering if any truth to that.Thanks.

[Princess L]

Are there any naturally effective ways to shed this kind of water and keep it off?

The more H2O you drink, the less you'll retain.

add in trenbolone and some test with anti aromatase and you will also add some muscle and muscle fullness,, while shedding this fat and water and getting pretty dry with out the use of duretics,,

im talking strictly about cutting here! i would never use anti aromatase while in bulk phase

AAS aside (not to mention the lack of nutrition), adding muscle, muscle fullness and muscle hardness (ie: quality) will never happen with this kind of "diet"

[Princess L]

Well, 20% of 190 pounds is 38 pounds, which means 152 pounds LBM.
 
But I'm not sure what the correct way to calculate this is, I always get mixed up. 

That is correct.

[ripitupbaby]

You ate the whole f-in pizza?!   
A donut, Ben and Jerry's, and a pizza...sounds like the day after a competition to me. 

Don't forget to include some info about WHEN you ate and when/what you trained.

[The True Adonis]

The more H2O you drink, the less you'll retain.

AAS aside (not to mention the lack of nutrition), adding muscle, muscle fullness and muscle hardness (ie: quality) will never happen with this kind of "diet"

[The True Adonis]

If Tweeter was 20 percent bodyfat at 190,

He would be 161.5 at 5 Percent.



190*.15= 28.5

190-28.5=161.5

[BigNBloated]

Adonis, what bf do you maintain, with no cardio? What is your daily calorie intake like these days? I cant imagine that you gain muscle while staying on an 1800 cal diet.

[G]

If Tweeter was 20 percent bodyfat at 190,

He would be 161.5 at 5 Percent.



190*.15= 28.5

190-28.5=161.5

 How dumb do you have to be to not understand that when you are losing weight naturally , you don't lose only fat, nomatter how much do you train or what do you eat. If he loses 30 lbs , in the best possible scenario -15 lbs will be out of fat, 10lbs - muscle, and 5 water.

[Princess L]

  in the best possible scenario -15 lbs will be out of fat, 10lbs - muscle, and 5 water.

  But we all know that is not the case.

[Tier]

So what are the adnois principles?

would you care to share the basics of it

[darksol]

I think the principals start with genetics that 99.9% of us do not have.
Some people just have Low BF and High Test naturally. 

[tu_holmes]

I think the principals start with genetics that 99.9% of us do not have.
Some people just have Low BF and High Test naturally. 

One thing I agree with TA on is that humans are 99.99% alike... not the other way around. You, me, everyone... unless you're a mutant, your genetic makeup is almost identical minus small changes in DNA... I find it much more likely that some outside force in your life... Diet, exercise, things like that make up the reasons why peoples BF or Test is high or low.

[pobrecito]

2/15/07:
Starburst                  240
Donut                       250
Ben & Jerry's             270
DiGiorno's pizza          960
Coffee w/ 2% milk       80
Total calories = 1,800

That diet is so f*cking stupid. That food is nasty, eating that on a daily basis would make me sick. Not to mention, I would be starving since your portions are about the size of an apple.

[tu_holmes]

You just don't want to admit that getting ripped is this easy!

Tweeter, I believe you gotta try everything to see what works for you... If this does it... that is excellent.

[The True Adonis]

Tweeter, I believe you gotta try everything to see what works for you... If this does it... that is excellent.

It works for Anyone and Everyone.

People are subject to all scientific laws in the exact same manner.

[tu_holmes]

It works for Anyone and Everyone.

People are subject to all scientific laws in the exact same manner.

I can not argue with that statement either... Science and Math are finite.

[the choad]

your going to lose more muscle than adonis

[GoneAway]

"Japanese: grilled chicken, steamed rice, brocolli, carrots, shrimp sauce"

Sounds yummy!

What rep range are you doing in your sets?

[tu_holmes]

Well, I don't think Adonis lost any, so I should be in good shape.

Adonis' body is hardly "bad" by any stretch... If more of the general populace had a body similarly to his, our health care costs would be much lower.

[Krusader]

Master of disinformation.

[andre90]

hey tweeter how do i get the chance to try this diet out by adonis??

[Rimbaud]

I take it you are not familar with the Adonis Principles huh?

(I know I shouldn't even be asking this)

What are they supposed to be? All I ever see is several pages of people going back & forth with each other. If there's supposed to be principle - in simple terms: What is it?

[pobrecito]

You just don't want to admit that getting ripped is this easy!

I really could care less....getting "ripped" is only about being in a caloric defecit, it doesn't matter if you eat broccoli or donuts. I am simply saying that your diet simply sucks in terms of satiety, physical amount of food, and taste.

For that single measly donut you eat I could have a plate full of food that will keep me fuller much longer.

Hope this helps

Oh.....nice bitch tits...hahaha