Clean bulk ?

[Rimbaud]

BULLSHIT...........just ordered a pizza for tonight

Post some pics. 

[DK II]

Hahaha - meltdown

LMAO

[davie]

Thats good mate, what kind??

I want ur brekkiie 2moro to be at least 3 grilled sausages, 3 bit grilled bacon (frying is unneccessary-except for eggs). 3 fried eggs, 2 pieces of wholewheat toast. OJ+T. Add beans hash/browns if u want+more bacon etc. I hyave cooked brekkie like that every sunday (sometimes nearer lunch tho as i work some sunday mornings).

davie

[210 and growing]

Thats good mate, what kind??

I want ur brekkiie 2moro to be at least 3 grilled sausages, 3 bit grilled bacon (frying is unneccessary-except for eggs). 3 fried eggs, 2 pieces of wholewheat toast. OJ+T. Add beans hash/browns if u want+more bacon etc. I hyave cooked brekkie like that every sunday (sometimes nearer lunch tho as i work some sunday mornings).

davie

if he tells the truth, it will be oatmeal and egg whites  I bet the pizza was low fat cheese and sugar free tomato sauce

[davie]

Im gonna have ham and pineapple pizza tommorow night (yum).

if he gets used to making little chaged each week, theyl soon add up and he'll reep the benifits!!

davie

[210 and growing]

Im gonna have ham and pineapple pizza tommorow night (yum).

if he gets used to making little chaged each week, theyl soon add up and he'll reep the benifits!!

davie

trust me davie, your wasting your time, take a look at some of lugars old posts, this is all he ever goes on about and never takes any advice. Not having a go at him, just stating a fact

[Lugar]

whelp.....no one wanted pizza so I went and trained delts.......then hit uup subway....goood stuff

tomorrws breakie will be egg whites and .75 cups oats after 30 mins am cardio if o can get up....1x a week

[Rimbaud]

whelp.....no one wanted pizza so I went and trained delts.......then hit uup subway....goood stuff

tomorrws breakie will be egg whites and .75 cups oats after 30 mins am cardio if o can get up....1x a week

Eat whole eggs not whites. The fat won't kill you.

[bigjohn_bluesfan]

whelp.....no one wanted pizza so I went and trained delts.......then hit uup subway....goood stuff

tomorrws breakie will be egg whites and .75 cups oats after 30 mins am cardio if o can get up....1x a week

if you continue this type of routine and diet you are going to stay at 160 lbs..... you are pulling in two different directions: I see that you desire to put on size and to bulk, but your diet and cardio activity is indicative of someone who is trying to lean out and loose weight..

at your height and weight, you should damn well not be doing ANY cardio and you should throw those egg whites out the window and start eating 6 whole eggs each morning... bro, you are way overthinking this

and fuck those abs for a while--- they will come back, plus your upper body will grow so much and stick out way farther than your abs and you will never notice---

an example of what your breakfast should look like each morning if you are BULKING and truly want to put on size:

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4-6 whole eggs
1 cup oatmeal (not instant)
2 slices whole wheat toast with peanut butter
1 cup fat free yogurt
1 bananna
1 cup orange juice

I even drink a whey protein shake onn my way out the door for work after eatin all this...when I am bulking
If you are eating this type of diet, and you are training properly and resting properly, you are going to put on some muscle mass. Period. Now, you are damn well going to put on some fat too, but there is no way around that. The good thing for you is that you are on steroids which will shred alot of that fat.

[Lugar]

 Cardio ios 1x or maybe 2x a week max for 30 minutes in the am....incline walk nothing more....training is 6x a week, as I neeed it for my release from the office after sitting all day....plus I spleep for a good 8-10 hours a night.....I do agree, I need to increase the cals, but it's gotta be possible using this diet....last week I was 164, one week later same clothes, same scale, I was 2 lbs lighter...this is with the initial diet, so I do need to adjust it........do you think this is too much?

[bigjohn_bluesfan]

that two lbs is likely to be water retention related---- however, you do have a fast metabolism, therefore you need to be making good diet choices....a guy like you should always be snacking between your 6-7 meals a day. Keep some good snack foods like un or litely salted nuts, bananas, and rice cakes, and maybe even some healthy beef jerky--- so when you are at work you are snacking on some good protein and carb sources between meals

it just boils down to either you are going to go wide open and bulk or you are going to get caught up on gaining 2% more body fat and half step with it

face it bro, you can bulk on cycle for three month and gain 25 pounds if you eat like a horse and train....and if you are so damn worried about a little fat, just hit the clen and anavar after your cycle is over....

think like this: bulk....cut...bulk....cu t....bulk...cut
and then when you reach your desired weight, you begin to cut, sculp, and maintain on a regular basis


one more thing---if you are training 6 times per week---depending on your split and how long you train----you could possibly be dealing with some overtraining issues as well

keep us posted on this, and lets seee what kind of progress we can make     

[Rimbaud]

that two lbs is likely to be water retention related---- however, you do have a fast metabolism, therefore you need to be making good diet choices....a guy like you should always be snacking between your 6-7 meals a day. Keep some good snack foods like un or litely salted nuts, bananas, and rice cakes, and maybe even some healthy beef jerky--- so when you are at work you are snacking on some good protein and carb sources between meals

it just boils down to either you are going to go wide open and bulk or you are going to get caught up on gaining 2% more body fat and half step with it

face it bro, you can bulk on cycle for three month and gain 25 pounds if you eat like a horse and train....and if you are so damn worried about a little fat, just hit the clen and anavar after your cycle is over....

think like this: bulk....cut...bulk....cu t....bulk...cut
and then when you reach your desired weight, you begin to cut, sculp, and maintain on a regular basis


one more thing---if you are training 6 times per week---depending on your split and how long you train----you could possibly be dealing with some overtraining issues as well

keep us posted on this, and lets seee what kind of progress we can make     

John, don't waste your time. He refuses to listen to anyone - but you never know he might start with you but I doubt it. He's to afraid to lose a little definition in his abs & won't touch real food. & by real food I don't just mean junk food - I'm talking whole eggs & others foods high in carbs & fat.

[DK II]

John, don't waste your time. He refuses to listen to anyone - but you never know he might start with you but I doubt it. He's to afraid to lose a little definition in his abs & won't touch real food. & by real food I don't just mean junk food - I'm talking whole eggs & others foods high in carbs & fat.

agreed.

Lugar thinks he will die if he eats a yolk.

[bigjohn_bluesfan]

agreed.

Lugar thinks he will die if he eats a yolk.

lol, if I could---I would eat 8 whole eggs for breakfast---but about 4-6 is usually all I can stomach because I dont even like them--but check out my bulking breakfast up there^  how you like that?   

[DK II]

lol, if I could---I would eat 8 whole eggs for breakfast---but about 4-6 is usually all I can stomach because I dont even like them--but check out my bulking breakfast up there^  how you like that?   

solid. Looks good!

[Lugar]

here's my problem....i hve low testosterone by nature.  so I got put on test snd upped it to 300mg week.  I don't know who to trust.  for every 1 good dude on this board there are 10 who pretend to know shit nd really offer no good suggestions.  ill make u a deal.  design me a true diet using tbol test n npp starting 3 15 and I promose to follow it to a tee if u promose I can get back to a full 6 pack with var n tren when my 10 weeks is up...ill post every meal and every training day.......promose.....ju st tell me who to trust....get me to 200lbs lean and I'm in   I can eat at 730  1030    noon 2  train at 4   6 n prebed.....be real  let's go using these foods   chciken eggs oats bread almomnds steak walnuts casein cottage cheese n pasta...im for real  that gear will keep me sane knowong I can eat more wo worrying so mich about fat storage with low testosterone..........fu ck the abs for 10 weeks     try me.....

[bigjohn_bluesfan]

here's my problem....i hve low testosterone by nature.  so I got put on test snd upped it to 300mg week.  I don't know who to trust.  for every 1 good dude on this board there are 10 who pretend to know shit nd really offer no good suggestions.  ill make u a deal.  design me a true diet using tbol test n npp starting 3 15 and I promose to follow it to a tee if u promose I can get back to a full 6 pack with var n tren when my 10 weeks is up...ill post every meal and every training day.......promose.....ju st tell me who to trust....get me to 200lbs lean and I'm in   I can eat at 730  1030    noon 2  train at 4   6 n prebed.....be real  let's go using these foods   chciken eggs oats bread almomnds steak walnuts casein cottage cheese n pasta...im for real  that gear will keep me sane knowong I can eat more wo worrying so mich about fat storage with low testosterone..........fu ck the abs for 10 weeks     try me.....

how old are you? real women dont even care that a guy has the most chisled abs in thw world...they want a piece of meat, a hunk of man with some muscle and balls

bro I havent seen my abs in 3 years and my girl is 23 years old and hot as fire...drop dead blond goregeous and she loves my body because i have big ass muscles---everywhere  ---I even have a little ( and I said a littel) pudge in the belly...

you got to get out of the faggady as abs and skinny abercrombie look or just give up bodybuilding and join a running or cycling club---- plain and simple

if you dont, you are wasting your time

[Rimbaud]

here's my problem....i hve low testosterone by nature.  so I got put on test snd upped it to 300mg week.  I don't know who to trust.  for every 1 good dude on this board there are 10 who pretend to know shit nd really offer no good suggestions.  ill make u a deal.  design me a true diet using tbol test n npp starting 3 15 and I promose to follow it to a tee if u promose I can get back to a full 6 pack with var n tren when my 10 weeks is up...ill post every meal and every training day.......promose.....ju st tell me who to trust....get me to 200lbs lean and I'm in   I can eat at 730  1030    noon 2  train at 4   6 n prebed.....be real  let's go using these foods   chciken eggs oats bread almomnds steak walnuts casein cottage cheese n pasta...im for real  that gear will keep me sane knowong I can eat more wo worrying so mich about fat storage with low testosterone..........fu ck the abs for 10 weeks     try me.....

Luagr, I've tried to tell you who you can trust & who you couldn't/shouldn't.

[Lugar]

SO tell me what to do.....give me the cycle, give me the calories, and give me the macros......I can develop a solid diet from there...


As far as training....I do cardio 2x a week on an empty tank just to keep water down and for sanity..it's nothing more than a mere 30minutes incline at 10% and 3.2 speed.......

I train like this, I think it'll catch up to me but I need a release after work........

MON - CHEST
TUESDAY - BACK
WED - DELTS
THURS - CHEST
FRID - DELTS
SAT ARMS
SUN LEGS (NEED TO DO LEGS ON SUNDAY, AS THE GYM THAT I USE ON SUNDAYS HAS A SQAUT RACK, A GOOD ONE, PLUS THE HAMMAR STRENGTH SQUAT MACHINE.......)

[Tapeworm]

"Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie"

C'mon Lugar, only you can moniter your progress.  It's clear that you know what to do already, just get on with it. 

Personally, I don't see the need for a high fat diet (>30%).  Just pic your cals on the macro ratio you prefer - I thought 4,000/day was the target - and track your progress.

[Rimbaud]

SO tell me what to do.....give me the cycle, give me the calories, and give me the macros......I can develop a solid diet from there...


As far as training....I do cardio 2x a week on an empty tank just to keep water down and for sanity..it's nothing more than a mere 30minutes incline at 10% and 3.2 speed.......

I train like this, I think it'll catch up to me but I need a release after work........

MON - CHEST
TUESDAY - BACK
WED - DELTS
THURS - CHEST
FRID - DELTS
SAT ARMS
SUN LEGS (NEED TO DO LEGS ON SUNDAY, AS THE GYM THAT I USE ON SUNDAYS HAS A SQAUT RACK, A GOOD ONE, PLUS THE HAMMAR STRENGTH SQUAT MACHINE.......)

Lugar, I'll try & send you a PM later to try & help out some. Believe it or not I want to help you but you just gotta listen to people. Look back at your past posts & you'll see they repeat the same themes over & over.

BTW - why are you doing delts twice a week? Just curious.

[Lugar]

I said I wou.d listen for 10 weeks  no questions.....4k is a hugw jump from 2500   butt ill try it kist lay it out     lots of pb sandwhixhes n steak!

good brekfast?
1 cup oats
1 egg 1 cup whites
1 scoop muscle milk
54carbs    15 g of fat    40g of protein        I  think I should get 50carbs  40 protein n 10 fats in 6 meals  agreed?

[Lugar]

cup of oats
tb of pb
egg
cup of whites

5 oz beef
..75 rice

cup of oats
5oz chicken
20 almonds

whey shake

train

pb sandwhich
turkey sandwhich

prebed
casein  20 alminds
veggies

sleep  no cardio m thu fri

look better?

[davie]

cup of oats
tb of pb
egg
cup of whites

5 oz beef
..75 rice

cup of oats
5oz chicken
20 almonds

whey shake

train

pb sandwhich
turkey sandwhich

prebed
casein  20 alminds
veggies

sleep  no cardio m thu fri

look better?

I told u my diet bro, follow something like that (its not exact as like i sed twice a week i have a pizza,once at wknd and once through week).

I get about 230-240 grams protein a day, and about 210-220 grams carbs a day.

Im not even sure about overall calories, that doesnt bother me so much, aslong as im getting enough carbs fats and proteins the calorie count will take care of itself!!

davie

[Lugar]

fats?  80-100g?  still only puts us around 2,500 cals.......thats what I'm doing now......change this diet to yor liking........

7am          PRO        CARB        FAT       
3/4 CUP OATS          7.50        42.00        9.00        225.00
5oz berries          2.00        14.00        0.70        62.00
egg whites          24.00        4.00        -          135.00
1 egg          6.00        4.00        5.00        80.00
1/2 scoop blend          10.00        2.00        1.50       60   
          49.50        66.00        16.20        562.00
10                           
2oz Flank Steak          14.00        -          3.50        90.00
2oz Buffalo         18                 1.50       85   
2ox chx          13.50        -          0.42        65.20
1 CUP brown rice          2.00        46.00        2.00        220.00
          47.50        46.00        7.42        460.20
1230                           
5oz chicken          33.75        -          3.13        162.50
10 almonds          2.60        2.50        6.10        70.00
3/4 CUP OATS          10.00        54.00        6.00        300.00
          46.35        56.50        15.23        532.50
                           
3:15                           
1 Scoop blend          20.00        2.00        1.50        100.00
1/2 CUP OATS          2.50        27.00        3.00        150.00
          22.50    0    29.00    0    4.50        250.00
TRAIN (445-615)                           
                           
630                           
toasr          7.50        40.00        4.50        225.00
salad          20.00        5.00        2.00        120.00
5oz chicken          33.75        -          3.13        162.50
          61.25    0    45.00    0    9.63    0    507.50
900                           
egg whites          12.00        1.00        -          65.00
20 almonds          10.00        10.00        18.00        200.00
1 SCOOPS BLEND          20.00        5.00        2.00        120.00
          42.00        16.00    0    20.00    0    385.00

          269.10        258.50     -       72.97     -       2,697.20