Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral

[Mr. Intenseone]

Gen. Pace calls homosexuality immoral
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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
Gen. Peter Pace is shown at the
Pentagon in Washington DC AP Photo

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Monday he considers homosexuality to be immoral and the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly, the Chicago Tribune reported.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral, the newspaper reported on its Web site.

"I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way," Pace told the newspaper in a wide-ranging interview.

Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.

He said he supports the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell policy" in which gay men and women are allowed in the military as long as they keep their sexual orientation private. The policy, signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.

"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said.

The newspaper said Pace did not address concerns raised by a 2005 government audit that showed some 10,000 troops, including more than 50 specialists in Arabic, have been discharged because of the policy.

With Democrats in charge of Congress, Rep. Martin Meehan, D-Mass., has introduced legislation to reverse the military's ban on openly serving homosexuals.

It is immoral..........it's an exit, not an entrance!

[Dos Equis]

Well, what do you think England does?  they have strict regulations. 

I have no idea what England does.  I'm asking about what we should do if a male homosexual wants to wear a dress in our military?  These are the kinds of issues I don't hear anyone talking about. 

[OzmO]

I have no idea what England does.  I'm asking about what we should do if a male homosexual wants to wear a dress in our military?  These are the kinds of issues I don't hear anyone talking about. 

i just told you.   Strict regulations.

Plus, you may be confusing transvestites with ALL gays.

[Camel Jockey]

I think the don't tell policy is good for now. Women might be more accepting of fighting alongside lesbians, but I doubt most men will be comfortable fighting alongside gays. I think 20 years from now we'll all be more open minded and only then will homosexuals be able to serve openly.

[Dos Equis]

i just told you.   Strict regulations.

Plus, you may be confusing transvestites with ALL gays.

What regulations?  Would we tell a man he cannot dress like a woman, if he actually considers himself a woman?  Are you saying these "strict regulations" would restrict a homosexual man from expressing his gender identity?   

I'm not saying all transvestites are homosexual, but when dealing with the issue of homosexuality, you have to address all facets of the group of people included under the homosexual rights agenda:  homosexual men, lesbians, bisexuals, transvestites, transsexuals (pre-op and post-op), cross-dressers, etc.

This is a complicated issue Ozmo. 

[OzmO]

What regulations?  Would we tell a man he cannot dress like a woman, if he actually considers himself a woman?  Are you saying these "strict regulations" would restrict a homosexual man from expressing his gender identity?   

I'm not saying all transvestites are homosexual, but when dealing with the issue of homosexuality, you have to address all facets of the group of people included under the homosexual rights agenda:  homosexual men, lesbians, bisexuals, transvestites, transsexuals (pre-op and post-op), cross-dressers, etc.

This is a complicated issue Ozmo. 

i agree it's complicated. 

Strict military dress for genders based on physical gonads.  It's already in place.

[Dos Equis]

i agree it's complicated. 

Strict military dress for genders based on physical gonads.  It's already in place.

What about a pre-op transsexual?  Or a transsexual who is halfway through his or her operation?  Where do they sleep?  Who do they shower with? 

This is giving me a headache . . . .

  

[militarymuscle69]

i agree it's complicated. 

Strict military dress for genders based on physical gonads.  It's already in place.

The Air Force had to change it's dress and apperance policy last year to mandate MINIMUM hair length standards for women. Under the old reg. women could shave their heads or have high and tights etc... women with short hair were being mistaken for men, and then filing MEO complaints because of it. Now women have to have a minimum of 1 inch in length.

[OzmO]

What about a pre-op transsexual?  Or a transsexual who is halfway through his or her operation?  Where do they sleep?  Who do they shower with? 

This is giving me a headache . . . .

  

Well then stop thinking about transsexuals who are halfway through there operation so much!

 

We can discuss pre-op transsexuals int he military later.....  when England decides to allow it! 

Maybe we should just kick the confused bastards out?  j/k

[Dos Equis]

Well then stop thinking about transsexuals who are halfway through there operation so much!

 

We can discuss pre-op transsexuals int he military later.....  when England decides to allow it! 

Maybe we should just kick the confused bastards out?  j/k

  

We will have to deal with the confusing aspects of this issue sooner or later, if we decide to open the door further in the military. 

This affects private business too (see my thread on How We Define Gender In Hawaii). 

[Deedee]

Did you already know about the Sacred Band of Thebes or did you do a little research on homosexuality and the military? Either way very interesting, I'm not sure it really applies to modern day soldiers and military brass but interesting all the same.

Lol... actually a gay friend told me about it.    I have read the Illiad though... plenty of homoeroticism happening there.

[Deedee]

Exactly Dedee, like all the other skim readers in here you have obviously missed the 100 times I also said that the female posing in Playboy does as much harm to the mission effectiveness as open gays would. Women are already in the minority and risk being molested when they are deployed with 1,000 men for 12 months. You pose in playboy you just made yourself a target for harrasment, as sad as that might be.

How entrenched can your morals be, when a couple of pics in a skin mag turn you into a molester and a rapist. That's a terrible excuse. 

[militarymuscle69]

How entrenched can your morals be, when a couple of pics in a skin mag turn you into a molester and a rapist. That's a terrible excuse. 

You are right, It is a horribel excuse but it is the truth. I never said everyone in the military had high morals, but the ones that demonstrate they don't have high morals are removed from the military.

[Deedee]

You are right, It is a horribel excuse but it is the truth. I never said everyone in the military had high morals, but the ones that demonstrate they don't have high morals are removed from the military.

Oh okay.  I thought you said earlier that the US has the finest military because of its high morals.

Doesn't look like rapists of women in the military have a lot to fear. 

[militarymuscle69]

Oh okay.  I thought you said earlier that the US has the finest military because of its high morals.

Doesn't look like rapists of women in the military have a lot to fear. 

The US is the best because of the high morals that 99% of us posses. There is no way to weed out every bad apple.

[OzmO]

The US is the best because of the high morals that 99% of us posses. There is no way to weed out every bad apple.

I agree that 99% of the people in the US military wouldn't rape someone.

But it's their training and equipment that make them the best in the world combined with their moral ethics regarding rape, torture  , theft, and killing innocent civilians.  Nothing to do with being gay or straight.

[militarymuscle69]

I agree that 99% of the people in the US military wouldn't rape someone.

But it's their training and equipment that make them the best in the world combined with their moral ethics regarding rape, torture  , theft, and killing innocent civilians.  Nothing to do with being gay or straight.

is does have something to do with not being gay, being gay is immoral, we don't condone it in the military, just like adultery

[OzmO]

is does have something to do with not being gay, being gay is immoral, we don't condone it in the military, just like adultery

Rape, torture, theft, and killing civilians all have victims.

Gayness doesn't


That's the difference between those immoral acts

that's why gayness doesn't factor into the equation of "How morals make our military good."

Try Again Sam.   

[militarymuscle69]

Rape, torture, theft, and killing civilians all have victims.

Gayness doesn't


That's the difference between those immoral acts

that's why gayness doesn't factor into the equation of "How morals make our military good."

Try Again Sam.   

Tell that to the women, whose men had anal sex with other men (on the down low), contracted AIDS and then spread it to their wives/GFs at home. TO FUCKING EASY!!!!!

[ieffinhatecardio]

Tell that to the women, whose men had anal sex with other men (on the down low), contracted AIDS and then spread it to their wives/GFs at home. TO FUCKING EASY!!!!!

Are there a lot of those wives/GF's floating around?

[militarymuscle69]

Are there a lot of those wives/GF's floating around?

I bet you would be suprised. OzmO claimed that Homosexuality had no victims. wrong as usual

[OzmO]

Tell that to the women, whose men had anal sex with other men (on the down low), contracted AIDS and then spread it to their wives/GFs at home. TO FUCKING EASY!!!!!

then heterosexuality does to then doesn't it?  STD's

Let's ban them also!


Try Again Sam!   

even more easy 

[ieffinhatecardio]

I bet you would be suprised. OzmO claimed that Homosexuality had no victims. wrong as usual

Perhaps I would be but I'm not so sure on a percentage basis that there's enough of them to actually warrant mentioning it.

[militarymuscle69]

then heterosexuality does to then doesn't it?  STD's

Let's ban them also!


Try Again Sam!   

even more easy 

What a fag, you get all excited. HETEROSEXUALITY isn't immoral and doesn't claim victims with STD. Promiscuity does. If you are moral, and only have one partner with whom you engage in vaginal sex only, guess what........exactly. However, anal sex (the only kind gay men can indulge in) does produce STDs. Which is passed, creating victims. I win again biatch

[militarymuscle69]

Perhaps I would be but I'm not so sure on a percentage basis that there's enough of them to actually warrant mentioning it.

I bet it has happened to 6 digits worth. How do you think AIDS gets spread? It isn't the toilet seat.