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atkins diet
« on: March 19, 2007, 04:55:57 PM »
what do you think of the atkins diet, basically no carbohydrates at all. h seas if you dont have glucose for energy, you will burn fat instead. atkins diet recomends no sugar at all. is sugar needed at all in your body?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 04:58:56 PM »
because you are a in the grips of class three obesity i would recommend no carbs at all for your fat ass.


carbs are not essential but fat people like you eat to many. ketones can be an alternative energy source, and protein and fat contain all the building blocks to make carbs ie they are ketogenic, glucogenic and can enter the tca cycle.


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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 05:00:01 PM »
Your brain needs carbohydrates to function properly.. Atkins is a joke and unsafe..

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 05:00:12 PM »
Great for fat people that eat any and everything...
I honestly tried it, but I ate clean to begin with.
I gained 5lbs of fat.  FFFFFuuuck that..

Good for fatasssses, not good for clean folks.

Vince Gironda endorsed that, but he wasn't around when I hit vince's gym on N. hollywood.

There might have been exceptions I didn't know about.
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 05:00:28 PM »
No burritos are not on the diet.... carry on

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 05:01:45 PM »
Your brain needs carbohydrates to function properly.. Atkins is a joke and unsafe..

please explain if you would the above statement.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 05:04:09 PM »
but what about the sugar, do you need that too for something?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 05:04:54 PM »
but what about the sugar, do you need that too for something?
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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 05:05:09 PM »
please explain if you would the above statement.

I don't remember the exact physiological reasons, but my nutrition professors said the same thing.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 05:06:45 PM »
today i ate maybe just 40 gr. carbohydrates and i feel like shit.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 05:07:31 PM »
NEO. glucose is needed for brain metabolism, however, in THEORY since carbs are not essential ie can be made by the other macronutrients you dont need to eat carbs.


however, i would agree with arms that you need carbs, alot of functions would suffer, but you dont NEED carbs neccessarily.

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2007, 05:09:25 PM »
today i ate maybe just 40 gr. carbohydrates and i feel like shit.

its your body adjusting to the new energy source, ie ketones as well as a drastic drop in one of the macros. your body will adjust in a week or so but i wouldnt go so low on carbs all the time, it would make working out with some intensity very hard. try carb cycling, much better diet and easy to implement.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 05:12:37 PM »
what do you think of the atkins diet, basically no carbohydrates at all. h seas if you dont have glucose for energy, you will burn fat instead. atkins diet recomends no sugar at all. is sugar needed at all in your body?
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 05:13:48 PM »
today i ate maybe just 40 gr. carbohydrates and i feel like shit.

That's great .............. your feelings resemble your look

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2007, 05:18:27 PM »
its your body adjusting to the new energy source, ie ketones as well as a drastic drop in one of the macros. your body will adjust in a week or so but i wouldnt go so low on carbs all the time, it would make working out with some intensity very hard. try carb cycling, much better diet and easy to implement.

yes thats the dilemma with training, how much days a week should i carb up, and how high?

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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2007, 05:24:33 PM »
yes thats the dilemma with training, how much days a week should i carb up, and how high?

I use it in the summer.  The results are aboslutley there.  I always eat some carbs in the morning, and after training.   Timing is of the essence with carb manipulation. You will get ripped on this.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2007, 05:26:35 PM »
is it better just to eat karbohydrates before a workout, and to keep it low for the rest of the time?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2007, 05:28:01 PM »
Your brain needs carbohydrates to function properly.. Atkins is a joke and unsafe..

Wrong.

You do not have to ingest any carbohydrates for the brain to function properly.

It will get the small amount of glucose it requires from protein conversion via glucogenesis, and the bulk of its energy will come from ketones.

Some people adapt to using ketones better than others, but to say low-carb is "a joke and unsafe" just shows you're good at parroting the know-nothing media, but not too good at reading the research yourself.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2007, 05:29:34 PM »
I use it in the summer.  The results are aboslutley there.  I always eat some carbs in the morning, and after training.   Timing is of the essence with carb manipulation. You will get ripped on this.

yes thats what im gonna do also, is sugar-food reguired for  the body? i want to eliminate all sugars for good, excet from milk that i need for shakes.

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2007, 05:29:51 PM »
is it better just to eat karbohydrates before a workout, and to keep it low for the rest of the time?

 You have to.  Make sure the carbs you take in  contain high amounts of fiber.  

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2007, 05:30:12 PM »
is it better just to eat karbohydrates before a workout, and to keep it low for the rest of the time?

Carb cycle - 150 grams on workout days, 50 grams on cardio days
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2007, 05:35:19 PM »
Wrong.

You do not have to ingest any carbohydrates for the brain to function properly.

It will get the small amount of glucose it requires from protein conversion via glucogenesis, and the bulk of its energy will come from ketones.

Some people adapt to using ketones better than others, but to say low-carb is "a joke and unsafe" just shows you're good at parroting the know-nothing media, but not too good at reading the research yourself.


ketone energy, is that stored bodyfat used as energy?

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2007, 05:55:46 PM »
Wrong.

You do not have to ingest any carbohydrates for the brain to function properly.

It will get the small amount of glucose it requires from protein conversion via glucogenesis, and the bulk of its energy will come from ketones.

Some people adapt to using ketones better than others, but to say low-carb is "a joke and unsafe" just shows you're good at parroting the know-nothing media, but not too good at reading the research yourself.


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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2007, 06:03:01 PM »
Top 15 Reasons to Avoid Low Carb, High Protein Diets
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Low carb (carbohydrate), high protein diets are the latest dieting craze. However, before you jump on the band wagon, you may want to consider a few things:

1. Low carb (ketogenic) diets deplete the healthy glycogen (the storage form of glucose) stores in your muscles and liver. When you deplete glycogen stores, you also dehydrate, often causing the scale to drop significantly in the first week or two of the diet. This is usually interpreted as fat loss when it's actually mostly from dehydration and muscle loss. By the way, this is one of the reasons that low carb diets are so popular at the moment - there is a quick initial, but deceptive drop in scale weight.

Glycogenesis (formation of glycogen) occurs in the liver and muscles when adequate quantities of carbohydrates are consumed - very little of this happens on a low carb diet. Glycogenolysis (breakdown of glycogen) occurs when glycogen is broken down to form glucose for use as fuel.

2. Depletion of muscle glycogen causes you to fatigue easily, and makes exercise and movement uncomfortable. Research indicates that muscle fatigue increases in almost direct proportion to the rate of depletion of muscle glycogen.
 
 


Bottom line is that you don't feel energetic and you exercise and move less (often without realizing it) which is not good for caloric expenditure and basal metabolic rate (metabolism).


3. Depletion of muscle glycogen leads to muscle atrophy (loss of muscle). This happens because muscle glycogen (broken down to glucose) is the fuel of choice for the muscle during movement. There is always a fuel mix, but without muscle glycogen, the muscle fibers that contract, even at rest to maintain muscle tone, contract less when glycogen is not immediately available in the muscle. Depletion of muscle glycogen also causes you to exercise and move less than normal which leads to muscle loss and the inability to maintain adequate muscle tone.

Also, in the absence of adequate carbohydrate for fuel, the body initially uses protein (muscle) and fat. the initial phase of muscle depletion is rapid, caused by the use of easily accessed muscle protein for direct metabolism or for conversion to glucose (gluconeogenesis) for fuel. Eating excess protein does not prevent this because there is a caloric deficit.

When insulin levels are chronically too low as they may be in very low carb diets, catabolism (breakdown) of muscle protein increases, and protein synthesis stops.

4. Loss of muscle causes a decrease in your basal metabolic rate (metabolism). Metabolism happens in the muscle. Less muscle and muscle tone means a slower metabolism which means fewer calories burned 24 hours-a-day.

5. Your muscles and skin lack tone and are saggy. Saggy muscles don't look good, cause saggy skin, and cause you to lose a healthy, vibrant look (even if you've also lost fat).

6. Some proponents of low carb diets recommend avoiding carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, potatoes, carrots, etc. because of they are high on the glycemic index - causing a sharp rise in insulin. Certain carbohydrates have always been, and will always be the bad guys: candy, cookies, baked goods with added sugar, sugared drinks, processed / refined white breads, pastas, and rice, and any foods with added sugar. These are not good for health or weight loss.

However, carbohydrates such as fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grain breads and pastas, and brown rice are good for health and weight loss. Just like with proteins and fats, these carbohydrates should be eaten in moderation. Large volumes of any proteins, fats or carbohydrates are not conducive to weight loss and health.

The effect of high glycemic foods is often exaggerated. It's does matter, but to a smaller degree than is often portrayed. Also, the total glycemic effect of foods is influenced by the quantity of that food that you eat at a sitting. Smaller meals have a lower overall glycemic effect. Also, we usually eat several types of food at the same time, thereby reducing the average glycemic index of the meal, if higher glycemic foods are eaten.

Also, glycemic index values can be misleading because they are based on a standard 50 grams of carbohydrate consumed. It wouldn't take much candy bar to get that, but it would take four cups of carrots. Do you usually eat four cups of carrots at a meal?

Regular exercisers and active people also are less effected by higher glycemic foods because much of the carbohydrate comsumed is immediately used to replenish glycogen stores in the liver and muscle.

By the way, if you're interested in lowering insulin levels, there is a great way to do that - exercise and activity. To receive my article and newsletter via email on insulin and other hormones, "Your 8 Hormones and Weight Loss", send your first name to: 8Hormones@Landry.com

7. Much of the weight loss on a low carb, high protein diet, especially in the first few weeks, is actually because of dehydration and muscle loss.

8. The percentage of people that re-gain the weight they've lost with most methods of weight loss is high, but it's even higher with low carb, high protein diets. This is primarily due to three factors:

A. You have lost muscle. With that comes a slower metabolism which means fewer calories are burned 24 hours-a-day. A loss of muscle during the process of losing weight is almost a guarantee for re-gaining the lost weight, and more.
B. You re-gain the healthy fluid lost because of glycogen depletion.
C. It's difficult to maintain that type of diet long-term
D. You have not made a change to a long-term healthy lifestyle.
9. Eating too much fat is just not healthy. I know you've heard of people whose blood levels of cholesterol and triglycerides have decreased while on a low carb, high protein diet. This often happens with weight loss, but it doesn't continue when you're on a diet high in fat.

There are literally reams of research over decades that clearly indicates that an increase in consumption of animal products and/or saturated fat leads to increased incidence of heart disease, strokes, gall stones, kidney stones, arthritic symptoms, certain cancers, etc. For example, in comparing countries with varying levels of meat consumption, there is a direct relationship between the volume of meat consumption in a country and the incidence of digestive cancers (stomach, intestines, rectal,etc.).
 


There are literally reams of research over decades that clearly indicates that an increase in consumption of animal products and/or saturated fat leads to increased incidence of heart disease, strokes, gall stones, kidney stones, arthritic symptoms, certain cancers, etc. For example, in comparing countries with varying levels of meat consumption, there is a direct relationship between the volume of meat consumption in a country and the incidence of digestive cancers (stomach, intestines, rectal,etc.).

Fat is certainly necessary, and desirable in your diet, but they should be mostly healthy fats and in moderation. Manufactured / synthetic "low fat" foods with lots of added sugar are not the answer. Neither are manufactured / synthetic "low carb" foods with artificial sweeteners or added fat. By the way, use of artificial sweeteners has never been shown to aid in weight loss and they may pose health problems.

According to Dr. Keith-Thomas Ayoob of Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, "In my experience, unless you're willing to throw out decades of research, you cannot ignore that diets chronically high in saturated fats are linked to heart disease," Dr. Ayoob is also a spokesman for the American Dietetic Association
and says that low carb, high protein diets are an attempt at a quick fix and not a long-term lifestyle change.

10. As someone recently told me, "it must work - people are losing weight". People that are truly losing fat on low carb, high protein diets, are doing so because they are eating fewer calories - that's the bottom line. There is no magic - the same can be done on a healthy diet.

11. Low carb diets are lacking in fiber. Every plant-based food has some fiber. All animal products have no fiber. A lack of fiber increases your risk for cancers of the digestive track (because transit time is lengthened) and cardiovascular disease (because of fibers effect on fat and cholesterol). It also puts you at a higher risk for constipation and other bowel disorders.

12. Low carb diets lack sufficient quantities of the the many nutrients / phytonutrients / antioxidants found in fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains, necessary for health and aiding in prevention of cancer and heart disease. In fact, you need these nutrients even more so when you're consuming too much fat as is often the case on a low carb high protein diet.

13. Amercans already consume more than twice the amount of protein needed. Add to that a high protein diet and you have far too much protein consumption. By the way, most people don't realize that all fruits, all vegetables, all whole grains, and all legumes also contain protein. Animal products contain larger quantities of protein, but that may not be a good thing.

Excess dietary protein puts you at a higher risk for many health problems: gout (painful joints from high purine foods which are usually high protein foods), kidney disease, kidney stones, osteoporosis (excess dietary protein causes leeching of calcium from the bones). By the way, countries with lower, healthier intakes of protein also have a decreased incidence of osteoporosis.

14. Low carb, high protein diets cause an unhealthy physiological state called ketosis, a type of metabolic acidosis. You may have heard the phrase, "fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate". Excess acetyl CoA cannot enter the Krebs Cycle (you remember the old Krebs Cycle) due to insufficient OAA. In other words, for fat to burn efficiently and without production of excess toxic ketones, sufficient carbohydrate must be available. Ketosis can lead to many health problems and can be very serious at it's extreme.

15. Bad breath. Often called "keto breath" or "acetone breath", it's caused by production of acetones in a state of ketosis.

So why the low carb, high protein craze? I believe there are
several reasons.

A. Weight loss (mostly muscle and muscle fluid) is often rapid during the first few weeks. This causes people to think they're losing fat rapidly.
B. It gives you "permission" to eat the "bad foods": bacon, eggs, burgers, steak, cheese, etc., and lots of fat.
C. Many see it as the new "magic" they've been looking for, although it's been around, in various forms, since the 1960's.
The good news is that there is a very healthy way to lose weight, feel energetic, and to greatly increase your chances of keeping it off. But that's another article.

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Re: atkins diet
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2007, 06:05:23 PM »
Brain Energy Demand
 
   
Your brain cells need two times more energy than the other cells in your body.

Neurons, the cells that communicate with each other, have a high demand for energy because they're always in a state of metabolic activity. Even during sleep, neurons are still at work repairing and rebuilding their worn out structural components.

They are manufacturing enzymes and neurotransmitters that must be transported out to the very ends of their– nerve branches, some that can be several inches, or feet, away.

Most demanding of a neuron's energy, however, are the bioelectric signals responsible for communication throughout the nervous system. This nerve transmission consumes one-half of all the brain's energy (nearly 10% of the whole body's energy).
   

Neurons from entorhinal cortex (Limbic System)

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Brain Power – The Energy of Thought and Memory 
 
   
Most of us have discovered that thinking can be tiring, even exhausting. As the primary source of energy in the human brain, glucose can be rapidly used up during mental activity.

Some interesting research has shown that mental concentration actually drains glucose from a key part of the brain associated with memory and learning – underscoring just how crucial this blood sugar is for proper brain function.

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Glucose, Learning and Memory - Study     
   
Psychology professor Paul E. Gold has researched the stability of glucose levels in the brain. Working with Ewan C. McNay , they found that as rats went through a maze, concentrations of glucose declined in the animals' hippocampus , a key brain area involved in learning and memory – even more dramatically so in older brains.

Except under conditions of starvation, it was thought that the brain always had an ample supply of glucose. "While this is the case in terms of consciousness, the new findings suggest that glucose is not always present in ample amounts to optimally support learning and memory functions," said Gold, who is director of the Medical Scholars Program in the University of Illinois College of Medicine.
   "The brain runs on glucose. Young rats can do a pretty good job of supplying all the glucose that a particular area of the brain needs until the task becomes difficult," explained McNay, a postdoctoral researcher in psychology at Yale University. "For an old rat given the same task, the brain glucose supply vanishes out the window. This correlates with a big deficit in performance. A lack of fuel affects the ability to think and remember."

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Glucose, Age, Memory and Learning - Study
   
In the May 2001 issue of Neurobiology of Learning and Memory, Gold, and McNay reported that glucose drainage during a task is specific to the hippocampus, where extracellular levels fell by 30%. (Other brain areas remained stable.) "Only the part of the brain involved with what the animal is asked to do is affected by changes in glucose usage," Gold said.-Not sure how study relates to other study about age, memory and learning.

In the May 2001 issue of the Journal of Gerontology, Gold and McNay described a study which showed how 24-month-old rats experienced a 48% decline in hippocampal extracellular glucose levels, and needed 30 minutes to recover from a maze-related task. Younger, three-month-old rats had only a 12% decline and recovered quickly. When older rats were injected with glucose supplements prior to testing, they did not show the drainage of glucose – and performed at the same levels as the younger rats.
   "Glucose enhances learning and memory not only in rats but also in many populations of humans," says Gold. "For schoolchildren, this research implies that the contents and timing of meals may need to be coordinated to have the most beneficial cognitive effects that enhance learning."

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How Carbohydrate Foods Can Improve Memory in Older Adults - Studies 
   
When Dr. Carol Greenwood tested the memory of older adults after they ate a breakfast of mashed potatoes or barley, she found that "eating carbohydrate foods can improve memory within an hour after ingestion in healthy elderly people with relatively poor memories."

In another study, Greenwood and her colleagues at the University of Toronto gave a group of healthy senior citizens a bowl of cereal and milk, along with white grape juice for breakfast. Another group only drank water. When tested twenty minutes later, the cereal-eaters had a better memory – able to remember 25% more facts.
   Not only does a diet lacking in carbohydrates cut off the brain's main energy supply, Greenwood said a scarcity of glucose can impede the synthesis of acetylcholine, one of the brain's key neurotransmitters.1

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Breakfast and Memory - Studies
   
Regardless of the source, caloric intake after an overnight fast can cause a short burst in memory capacity, scientists discovered. Carbohydrates, however, generally brought longer-term memory benefits than either fats or proteins in the people tested.

Lead scientist, Dr. Carol Greenwood, emphasized the advantage of nutritious carbohydrates – fruits, vegetables, and whole grains – instead of simple sugars such as pastries. Her studies point to the importance of children's breakfasts to school performance. 2

Another University of Toronto study compared the memory-improving effects of different breakfasts eaten after an overnight fast. Participants who consumed a carbohydrate breakfast of potatoes or barley performed better on short- and long-term memory tests, compared to those who consumed only a glucose-laden lemon drink. Both groups did better than the participants who consumed only an inactive placebo.
   "Our study showed that eating carbohydrate foods can improve memory within an hour after ingestion in healthy elderly people with relatively poor memories," said lead author Randall J. Kaplan. "Individuals with seemingly minor deficits in glucose regulation appear to perform worse on cognitive (memory) tests and are most sensitive to the beneficial effects of carbohydrates."3