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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2007, 02:03:04 PM »
Because the WH doesn't want a part of this media circus witch hunt.

What goes around comes around.


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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2007, 02:03:40 PM »
Because the WH doesn't want a part of this media circus witch hunt.

What goes around comes around.

If the dems lie, I want them outed and fired too.

We should ALL require honesty and accountability from our leaders, from both parties.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2007, 05:54:24 PM »
Hi Honey!  :)

I say skip the witch hunt, ...and just burn those fvckers at the stake!

...anyone got any marshmallows?  :P

Hi, babycakes.

I'm all for burning Dems at the stake.  ;)

Hmmm... smells like chicken.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2007, 05:57:04 PM »
If the dems lie, I want them outed and fired too.

We should ALL require honesty and accountability from our leaders, from both parties.

I agree with you, Rob. The government works for us and we should demand accountability.

However, I'm not convinced that the Democrats intentions are honorable and, IMO, the WH has the right to fire them if they think they were not doing their jobs.

Where was the outrage when the previous administration did the same thing?


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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2007, 06:03:40 PM »
I agree with you, Rob. The government works for us and we should demand accountability.

However, I'm not convinced that the Democrats intentions are honorable and, IMO, the WH has the right to fire them if they think they were not doing their jobs.

Where was the outrage when the previous administration did the same thing?



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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2007, 06:13:21 PM »
they were removed by reagan, bush 1, clinton, and bush 2 at the START of their admins.

These were done mid-term to affect litigation in sensitive elections.  These were done to influence the legal process, slectively, to benefit republicans.  That's a no-no. 

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2007, 06:14:24 PM »
I agree with you, Rob. The government works for us and we should demand accountability.

However, I'm not convinced that the Democrats intentions are honorable and, IMO, the WH has the right to fire them if they think they were not doing their jobs.

Where was the outrage when the previous administration did the same thing?


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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2007, 06:54:02 PM »
However, I'm not convinced that the Democrats intentions are honorable and, IMO, the WH has the right to fire them if they think they were not doing their jobs.

They had EXCELLENT performance evaluations.

The reason they were given was poor performance.

This was mid-term and their removal aided the republicans by firing the people prosecuting them.

No american should support this from either party - it essentially says the party in charge can stop any prosecution on any of its members at any time.  I don't want EITHER party with this invincible power.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2007, 06:55:19 PM »
The previous admin - and the two before it - (clinton, bush1, bush2, and reagan) ALL fired everyone - WHEN THEY STARTED - across the board.

Gonzalez fired a handful after some were asked to change cases and alter timelines to influence elections.

Then, he lied about it.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2007, 09:03:38 PM »
The previous admin - and the two before it - (clinton, bush1, bush2, and reagan) ALL fired everyone - WHEN THEY STARTED - across the board.

Gonzalez fired a handful after some were asked to change cases and alter timelines to influence elections.

Then, he lied about it.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2007, 05:03:55 AM »
They had EXCELLENT performance evaluations.

The reason they were given was poor performance.

This was mid-term and their removal aided the republicans by firing the people prosecuting them.

No american should support this from either party - it essentially says the party in charge can stop any prosecution on any of its members at any time.  I don't want EITHER party with this invincible power.

Still, they are political appointees and serve at the pleasure of the President.

Both parties are guilty.

Question is, what are we, the people, going to do about it?

I'm afraid not a damn thing. We'll get distracted by some other shiney bauble and lose our focus.


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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2007, 05:05:47 AM »
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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2007, 05:08:29 AM »
Still, they are political appointees and serve at the pleasure of the President.
Both parties are guilty.
Question is, what are we, the people, going to do about it?
I'm afraid not a damn thing. We'll get distracted by some other shiney bauble and lose our focus.

But you do admit that every OTHER president fired across the board, right?

Bush2 chose to fire a small number of people to influence the outcome of sensitive court cases right before an election.  This is a terrible thing.  If we allow it, then he could fire 1,000 judges/prosecutors tomorrow to change 1000 cases.  We might as well just shut down the justice system

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2007, 07:53:05 AM »
But you do admit that every OTHER president fired across the board, right?

Bush2 chose to fire a small number of people to influence the outcome of sensitive court cases right before an election.  This is a terrible thing.  If we allow it, then he could fire 1,000 judges/prosecutors tomorrow to change 1000 cases.  We might as well just shut down the justice system

And there is the flaw in the system fully exposed. Because they are appointed by the Chief Executive he has the Constitutional authority to fire them if he thinks they are not performing their duties to his liking.

Clinton and Bush did it as did every President before them.

If these "agents of justice" are ever going to be able to do their jobs then something has to change.

In respect to this media circus I think that because it's a Constitutional issue that Congress is fighting a losing battle. Additionally, if the roles were reversed they'd do the exact same thing.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2007, 09:39:48 AM »
Clinton and Bush did it as did every President before them.

They all did it at the beginning - firing everyone for the same reason.

This group LIED.  THey blamed incompetence when there was none.  When caught, they lied again, this time to congress. 



It's beyond me why they're not tossed out on their ear the first time they're caught lying.  instead people actually defend the lies.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2007, 10:05:46 AM »
They all did it at the beginning - firing everyone for the same reason.

This group LIED.  THey blamed incompetence when there was none.  When caught, they lied again, this time to congress. 

It's beyond me why they're not tossed out on their ear the first time they're caught lying.  instead people actually defend the lies.

I think we'll just agree to disagree on this one.

This is just another example of our broken system and neither party is without guilt on this one.

We have much more pressing issues to deal with than watching Repbulicans and Democrats get into another pissing war.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2007, 10:07:18 AM »
w8lifter,

I believe that anyone who lies under oath needs to leave office.

Because if they don't respect the oath they take in court, they obviously cannot by definition respect the oath they took when they took their own office.

Gonzalez clearly lied, as did Mcnulty.  THey need to resign.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2007, 10:50:17 AM »
w8lifter,

I believe that anyone who lies under oath needs to leave office.

Because if they don't respect the oath they take in court, they obviously cannot by definition respect the oath they took when they took their own office.

Gonzalez clearly lied, as did Mcnulty.  THey need to resign.

Again, I agree with you on holding politicians accountable but it won't change a thing.

This is a witch hunt and more tax payer dollars will be wasted. This country does not need is another media circus but it looks like we're going to get one anyways.



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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2007, 11:35:01 AM »
Again, I agree with you on holding politicians accountable but it won't change a thing.

This is a witch hunt and more tax payer dollars will be wasted. This country does not need is another media circus but it looks like we're going to get one anyways.

Agreed it's a witch hunt.

But, a witch hunt is the only way to hold AG accountable for being a liar.

He can't be fired for lying under oath (although he SHOULD be).  So they fire him on a trumped up charge.  COrrect outcome.

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Re: Why Attorneygate May Actually Be A Criminal Act
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2007, 03:56:00 PM »
Agreed it's a witch hunt.

But, a witch hunt is the only way to hold AG accountable for being a liar.

He can't be fired for lying under oath (although he SHOULD be).  So they fire him on a trumped up charge.  COrrect outcome.

Did Gonzalez even testify before Congress about these firings?